Lol. It does make you think that there was nothing stopping anyone turning up with a vortex 2 years ago. The technology was there. People just seem to build to the standard that exists at the time. If one were to step out of the box and do some kind of reverse hindsite type thing, hmm... anyway, it would be good to see if anyone could jump 2 years into the future, today. The future seems to be dominated by CNC. Certianly, if we look across the pond, the view is very much that you cant expect to get anywhere in the 12 or 30lb class without a CNC/well machined bot. Thankfully we have folks like Ed who have the resources to break ground, and the rest of us can duly follow . Whilst it is the case that people like Rex build fantastic things for very little, he is an excellent machinist, with a very complete workshop, and access to the kind of scrapyeards that seem to have F1 car parts and honeycomb aluminium, whereas my locals seem to be limited to rusty gates. For the rest of us, it does seem to involve spending more to keep up with the competition. Where will it end? How much are people willing to pay?

Hmm, a bit deep for a friday night, but there we go:-)

Eddy