thx again, il look at it but i will proberly go with a pneumatic flipper

pneumatic flippers cost alot more than most robots, even if you get most parts free form other robot builders you still could not aford it. It is also very hard to build a pneumatic flipper as hard time found out, I would go with a rambot or pusher with a wedge then add an eletric liffter later.

ps some rambots can still cost over £300 or more.