Talk to the FRA

**craig_colliass** · 10th June 2010, 16:31

John and John

I like your ideas

**geoff** · 10th June 2010, 18:30

Looks good to me, just one small point, I think the guidelines need to clearly state what the 'penelty' for incuring a 'time fault' should be.

**Scorpionbuilder** · 10th June 2010, 19:08

Geoff that's a very good point - what sort of penalty would be imposed? What would you recommend as a penalty?

John

**razerdave** · 10th June 2010, 19:34

I would say take points off their aggression score, because of the robot being overly so in pinning them to the floor/wall

**geoff** · 10th June 2010, 20:32

Originally Posted by Scorpionbuilder

Geoff that's a very good point - what sort of penalty would be imposed? What would you recommend as a penalty?

John

I would say an automatic deduction of half the total number of points gained by the robot up to the point the time fault was called.

too heavy handed???

**anukhet** · 10th June 2010, 21:19

Problem with that is that deducting half a point for odd numbers is complicated, also what if the 'offender' has no points?
How about a fixed number of points deducted, say 3? Then they would have to fight back the deficit.

Due to noise levels and lack of being able to see a timekeeper through other heads, bodies and low light levels, there should be a clear 5 second countdown from the official timekeeper over the PA - as far as I remember Stu did that for Roaming Robots events but I'm not sure about Robots Live or Robochallenge.

**razerdave** · 10th June 2010, 21:24

Taking half the points, I think that would be slightly harsh, taking it from one of the more important criteria (Aggression and Damage are the highest IMHO) would be a little fairer. And as Karoline says we need a timer to dictate the length of the holds/pins.

As for odd numbers, I'd just round it up to the nearest whole number, and if they had no score, then yeah, take away a set amount.

**widow_twanky** · 10th June 2010, 21:51

To be honest I'm not too bothered about major or even minor updates to the judging rules but the problem is that if you try and make it complicated by deducting points then it has the potential to become difficult to implement.

Everyone in this sport is big enough to understand the rules and to understand a five second countdown as karoline has suggested. That being the case if they don't comply then the simple sanction is disqualification.

That may seem harsh but it's no different to being overweight and not being allowed to compete. This rule has been implemented rigorously this year, it was annoying for Dantomkia to have to dump all its gas and to strip off body panels from Hydra at Barnsley and I know Jonno wasn't happy about having to dump most of Rippers gas but that was the rules and you live with it. That extra five/ten seconds could cause damage from which a robot cannot recover from or actually allow a crusher to penetrate some particularly tough material or another six or seven hits from an axe meaning that they win the fight outright.

I'm not against different sanctions, I'm just against an overcomplicated rule set which is difficult to fathom.

Mind you, the incident which springs to mind is Kan Opener against Wedgehog when KO had gripped Wedgehog and had released them and just continued to push them into the pit whilst still in the jaws. Anyone not stood next to Andy when he was showing Geoff the controls to prove he had actually released it would have thought he hadn't.

Andy