Okay a couple of points.

1. Some things, such as batteries arent included in stats as i would say most people who do this dont understand it enough for it to work, i know i dont. And since this is something I do for fun in spare time, i dont really want to spend a huge period of time learning about something which isnt going to pay alot if any refrense to my day to day life.

2. People have to be less harsh with new people. Yes they need to show some effort, but it is pointless to attack them over sub-standard stats, you need to give advice and not dictate to them you must do this, you must do that rember your first set of stats, and how far you have come since then, new people probably are not going to start on a very high level. If I was watching this thinking about signing up and saw some of what some people (a few people in a particular) said and do to the new people, i would not bother to sign up.

3. The arguments on this forum are getting beyond a joke, it is ridiculous how people are strugling to get on in places.

4. and finaly, vapours can never be totaly realistic, as otherwise we would have people pitting themselves by accident, or robots where the removable link isnt put in properly so a little tap from the opponent causes it to fall out.