How could I Improve pt 2

[kodster]

1 in = 2.54 cm

Easy enough to base upon that :P

[dinowarrior]

You guys simply dont get it, do you? Its not the conversions, its the sheer complexity. It makes zero sense whatsoever, and you saying 1 inch = 2.54 centimetres is actually being somewhat unkind when the help I need is SO much more extreme.

As for the dimensions...

MEGA MASHER 2

Weight: 100 kilos
Body Shape: A Triangle shape, a bit like Inshredable (from Series 6). 1.1.m in length, 0.7m in length and 0.5m at its highest point. There are minature ploughs at the rear where the blade is, to guide robots into it.
Speed: 15mph
TC: 0
GC; 0 at front and back, 6mm at sides
Wheels; 6 inner, aranged in a 3-wheel-a-side formation. This means that four wheels are always on the ground at any one time.
Armour: A nice 3.25mm Hardox
Power: 3x 12v batteries, plus Bosch 750s at 36v.
Colour: Red and yellow.
Weapons; The front is a wedge, and the back has a nasty vertical disc, powered by its own LEM130 motor and spinning at 2000 rpm. It can probably flip as well as damage.
Srimech: The robot can run inverted, with the sheer angling at the sides making stranding near impossible.
Inspiration; This is probably the only robot I have where I have had no inspiration. It just came as a good name.
Strengths: Power, weaponary
Weaknessess: A little bulky.

[kodster]

*gasp* SO much more extreme? And how could that possibly be?

First off, which calculator are you using...if its the Team Cosmos kJ calc, I have no idea what the problem is. Its like the simplest kJ calc out there...

If its not, then please EXPLAIN the problems. Very slowly, and very politely. I only spoke up about that conversion because I believe youre whining over nothing. Please show me that is not the case. :P

[dinowarrior]

Yes, Kody, I am using the Team Cosmos Kinetic Energy Calculator...and it simply makes no sense.

For a start, its asking me for the blades diameter, thickness and distance (which doesnt make sense anyway), none of which I even know. No one told me about this when I started vapourboteering...all I know is that it has a vertical flywheel, ala Minion (although I suppose itd be smaller, considering the weight difference). I dont even know what its made of, because no one ever SAYS what their flywheels are made of.

And if that wasnt bad enough, its telling me to add MOI. That doesnt make the remotest bit of sense. It doesnt even try to say what it means.

Im sorry, but if this really was the Simplest kJ calc out there, then it wouldnt be so hi-tech. It really is NOT the simplest, because I simply dont understand.

[kodster]

Sigh...guess Ill have to explain to you, then. :P

First off, the blades diameter and thickness contribute to the weight of the blade, which helps deliver more kJ.

The DISTANCE is from the center of the tooth to the center of the disc. The farther it is away, the more added force will be delivered. Usually this can be half the diameter, but not necessarily if you use longer teeth. Say for instance you have a 80cm diameter disc. The distance would be 40cm. :P

Next...LOTS OF PEOPLE SAY WHAT THEIR DISC IS MADE OF!!! You should know better than that. Right...I should just assume your disc is made of hardened goat cheese if you dont state a material, is that alright? :P Of course not.

Third, MOI is called the moment of inertia. I myself am not quite sure what its definition is, but its calculated thus:

weight of disc x radius of disc2

There, Im done explaining. :P

[dinowarrior]

OK, first of all, I KNOW what the diameter and thickness are for, I just dont KNOW what they are on my disc. As I said before, no one told me I needed to know this. As I said before, its based around Minions disc, but without specs, I cant do anything. If you have any recommendations for the size of the robot, thatd be great, although Ive still not received the all-clear concerning said dimensions.

The distance...thanks for explaining, but once again, its no use at the moment without an aid.

Next...that is, as I continually say on YouTube, an EPIC FAIL! Did Adam Clark ever say what his flywheel was made of? No. Did we learn what Disc-O-Infernos 30 kilo, 3000rpm blade was constructed out of? No. Anything on Nightmare or Backlash? No! Hypno-Disc? Only that it wasnt plastic. You see? No one EVER mentions the material, and theyre professional roboteers. What chance do I have? I dont think even S3s disc was specified material wise, and she had a lot of stuff mentioned about hers. But do we assume HER blade is made out of goat cheese?

For the final point...again, no help until Ive got the all-clear.

Seriously, I NEED help here, help youre simply not giving, instead choosing to rub it in my face. Or at least thats what it feels like.

[kodster]

Someone shoot me - I mean him... :P

All right, just WHY do you need to base it around MINIONS disc? Why is Minions so special? Just because Mega Masher is shaped (or was shaped) like Minion doesnt mean you have to have almost the exact same weapon! Hell, you could probably make it better than Minions! This is VAPOURBOTS for gods sakes: try stuff out!

And Chris, once again, this is VAPOURBOTS. Of course real roboteers out there wont right away tell you what the material is like, but on FRA, for people to draw an accurate force from your disc when theyre writing battles, they need to know quite a lot of stuff: including the material! And besides, a disc can be the same weight, but give off an entirely different kJ! A 10kg Hardox disc would be very small compared to a 10kg titanium disc, because of the metal used for it, and the titanium disc, in that regard would give out a greater force than that Hardox one. Remember, size and weight do count, but especially the material!

Now normally I wouldnt go this far into the specs, but youve been here for quite a while, Chris, and itd be best for you to lend an ear now and not tell people to not rub it in their face when all theyre doing is trying to give you advice. Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. :P

[joey_picus]

...the material is only really a device for finding out the weight if you dont know it yourself, its not absolutely vital that you put both down.

The rest of what Kody said stands though.

[kodster]

lol. If you had a 10kg titanium disc with holes in it so you can get a wider diameter, how would you be able to keep a 10kg Hardox disc in proportion without reducing diameter or thickness? And reducing those in that regard decreases power in an average hit between the two discs. Joey is sort of right, its not necessary to put it down...if youre a newbie or near that status. :P

Sorry, but I had to say that, Joey :P

Me and Joey would, however, like to ask what weight and diameter you want for your disc, Chris, and we can possibly work out something for you.