Dump valve access

[robotwars]

No... what i was saying is that the use of lever type bottles ( without using a wing nut ) where you squeeze the trigger to arm shouldnt be used... it is very difficult to control the flow.
With the use of the wing nut then of course its fine.

I see the point of using the tool to arm up, i said before it can be a safer way to arm.
But i think if it is going to be optional, you should be able to arm and disarm your bottle manually as well as with the tool, then everyone is covered.

I think using a tool designed well can be safer.... using a tool on a badly designed system will end up being a complete pain and unsafe as the operator could be focusing more on getting his tool intot a hole rather than what if this robot misfires !!

Something the tech checkers will have to sort out.

John

[widow_twanky]

Hydra uses the lever type bottle. It aint a good thing as Jonno said. The bottle shifted at Colchester and got locked on.

I modified it for Swindon but Pete told me Id made it worse from his point of view.

Ive had a few thoughts on it and will be experimenting with a Bristol ratchet arrangement over the weekend. These have a plastic handle arrangement which you can open/close as you wish manually and also have a slotted screw head to allow you to wind it up with a screwdriver.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=22463&name=bristol+ratchet&user_ search=1&sfile=1&jump=24http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...tchet&user_sea rch=1&sfile=1&jump=24

Andy

[kane]

Paul, I completely agree. What is important is to minimise the risk. Using a kill switch is safer because a failsafed machine cannot be operated accidently from the transmitter without first operating the kill switch. A failsafe light gives indication to the operator that the transmitter cannot accidently fire the weapon.

[maddox]

You know what. To make the machines perfectly safe, rename them Teddybears, and the rules are pretty easy.
No hard materials, no small components, no potentialy self moving parts.
All materials used must have a perfect non toxic non irritating record.

Please, help me to get more rules that even the most braindead artritic snail can be perfectly safe with one of our machines.

[leorcc]

Mario, this proposal is in fact to make it safer and for some even easier, not harder or more difficult. It is not mandatory so you dont have to change anything if you dont want to.

[maddox]

The proposals from both sides of the argument have 1 thing in common. MORE RULES.

But its beside my point. Our machines are build to destroy simular machines. Not ment to be perfectly safe.

Perfectly safe means sitting in a room with soft coated pastel colored walls, with soft pastel lightning, with soothing music, in a I Love Me Jacket so no mishap can happen at any time.

Not building and operating mechanical gladiators.

[m2xt]

Mario, regretfully it is that attitude that can result in personal injury. It is all about taking reasonable precautions, who defines reasonable, normally the courts! Maim yourself if you wish but dont be surprised that others dont want to. I could say more about you and rules but cant be arsed.

[leorcc]

quote:

The proposals from both sides of the argument have 1 thing in common. MORE RULES.No they dont. If anything it is an change to an existing rule for the pro side, and no change for the con side of the argument. Either way, no new rule is added.

quote:

Our machines are build to destroy simular machines. Not ment to be perfectly safe.But they are ment to be as safe as possible when you or I or any other human being is standing next to it. Just because a hydraulic press in a factory is designed to push a piece of steel in shape doesnt mean we shouldnt incorperate some safety measures for those who operate them.


(Message edited by leo-rcc on May 21, 200

[maddox]

The rules
Chapter 8 Pneumatics. Gives us currently 15 main rules and 8 ammendments.

Chapter 7 Internal combustion Engines. 8 main rules, 2 ammendments.

Paul, I work dayly with machines that can turn people into minced meat. And even with all the CE rules attached to make them idiot safe, the world gives us better idiots.
How reasonably safe can we build and operate a Robot WARS machine, without ending up basket weaving in full armor?

Leo, you give us the example of an hydraulic press. I take another example. How safe is a pistol?

A safe way, and one I think for heavies is a good way, is the remote kill switch. Or a remote dump. Not dragging around some tool to avoid hands nearby one of the machines.

I see main rule 16 with 2 ammedments coming up for Pneumatics.
Im clocking out on this one. No use for me to be here, Im just the town idiot jingling a bell.