I think this is a wound that might never heal!! There always seems to be something. Think its time it was accepted whether we agree or disagree with it, you cant change whats happened.
If everyone thought like that Bex, nothing in the world would ever get sorted. I for one am not going to give up on doing the right thing and trying to heal things. But of course you are entitled to your opinion.
I simply am not interested in the quarrels of event organisers outbidding each other... its called economic reality. Because the moment they started making a livelihood out of it (or at least relying on the income to be able to do more shows)they entered the economic reality. This is business quarrels, not a fight amongst -former- friends. This is hard capitalism, not betrayal.
So decide guys... do you treat it as a gentlemens hobby or as a business venture (with all the harsh trappings thereof) ?
Personally I cant be bothered about outbidding or shooting on someone others doves when people have made a business out of it. Right, it IS Jonnos livelihood. Yet, it was HIS decision to do so. But does that mean a venue has no right to seek the cheapest EO ? Are we going into price-fixing between suppliers ? Thats called a monopoly. (And I mean not the game here. It is no game when money is involved.) Hmmm...***dictionary search*** the word I should use is collusion.
Im not saying give up on the right thing at the end of the day you can try till your blue in the face but the only people who can sort it is the people involved!! Everyone else just follows suit, Its happened and THATS IT. And yes Im glad you agree that I AM entitled to my own opinion.
This thread is serving little purpose now.
There is not a split in the community, the vast majority have similar views.
As always there are people at either end of a spectrum with their views and are very vocal with their opinions.
Most of the time these views are not representative of the silent majorities position.
Sometimes these sort of threads go off on one and this thread is in danger of doing so leaving behind any thing based on any true facts.
This is a public forum. We need to think of how this looks to the public.
This site receives approx 60000 visits per month
with a record of 193000 visits. These are not all roboteers.
I think with the benefit of hindsight well see this was a phase the community and the EOs went through, adjusting to the issues created by competition in the Robot Event business. As Mike says, in established markets this happens all the time. The main problem is that the EOs businesses involve the participation, and in some cases the paid employment of builders, so the spheres of business and competitor overlap, sometimes creating conflict. Irrespective of the Space Centres behaviour, it may be unreasonable to expect two competing businesses to always collaborate for the good of the community if its not in their best business interests. That said, I think it usually will be in the EOs best interests to communicate with each other about their event timetable and even issues like this one, to make it easy for builders to attend as many events as possible. Its also sensible for EOs to acknowledge that, at this stage in the development of robot combat in the UK, stepping on each others toes is bound to alienate and even infuriate teams that have affiliations with their competitors.
As to public perception Andy, yes itd be better to present a unified front, but this is a discussion forum, not an advert. Some fans (hi there!) may judge us harshly, but Id hope that most of them realise that as with anything in peoples lives that they feel strongly about, debate is bound to get heated sometimes.
John.
John
I would not expect a unified front, all have their opinions at the end of the day.
I am just not wanting a slanging match developing for the sake of it.
The lack of facts in this thread is a problem.
These facts are a private matter between event organisers and therefore will never be known.
Any statement that the EOs wish to make have already been published here.If they are remembered they have no axe to grind with each other.
Yep, agreed.
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