Answer me this one FRA

[swanaldo]

why is it the case that we (roboteers) do not have to be an fra member to go to robots live events yet we have to be a member to go to roaming robots event. if roboteers dont have to be fra members to go to robots live then where do we get my build rules from to go to these events or do we just use the fra rules and guidelines. if i dont have to be an fra member to go to robots live then i dont think i should have to be a member to go to roaming robots. what if roaming robots dont insist on fra membership to join their events then do we have a difference of build rules if the fra dont have a ruling. just occured to me that if there was no fra membership fund then how will this website be paid for? WHAT IS HAPPENING. you guys read this so please do tell me because i want to know. what will happen to the fra? what will happen to build rules? what will happen to this forum? can you please explain to me how all this works???????????

[grafix]

Shane my old fruit.

In the good old days the BBC (well Mentorn ) provided both the build rules and the forum. Since they buggered off and left us in the lurch a group of individuals got together and discussed the problem at hand. What does the future hold for us? Well, it was decided to create the FRA. At the time there were only a few arena operators with varying degrees of arena spec and safety that we all decided that to fund the FRA, forum, administration etc a membership of paying roboteers would be needed. This was obviousy not ideal but lets face it, it was what was needed. And because of this decision our sport / hobby still exists and is still strong.

From the FRA we have arena build specs, robot build rules, International cooperation and competitions as well as this excelent forum. Ed Hoppitt has helped a HUGE amount on the forum. In truth hes the one who enabled it.

Even though I do NOT have a robot any longer I am still a member of the FRA. I actually believe in it and will continue to do so.

Jonno is still keeping with the FRA hence the RoamingRobots requires FRA membership. Others should follow Jonnos excelent example. Not everyone agrees with the FRA or even thinks that it should still exist but its far better than having nothing. The FRA has worked tirelesly for the betterment of our sport / hobby and to do that funds are needed.

The FRA has been very open with how they work. Its books and accounts are available to all as is a representative for anyone to voice opinions / concerns to.

Maybe the question should be When are the Robots Live going to ask people to support the FRA and get their members to be members of the FRA as well and not why should we join the FRA?

Just my opinion.

Mike.

[anukhet]

In short, read this....
http://www.fightingrobots.co.uk/documents/fightingrobotassociationconstitution.pdfhttp://www.fightingrobots.co.uk/docu...constitution.p df

Note specifically Para 2.2d

[swanaldo]

mike my old bean

thanks for that. i do hope that people do the right thing and keep the sport going so this one to the robots live organisers....are you going to support the fra like other event organisers and roboteers have done. sorry but i just dont understand why robots live are not willing to support the fra. come on guys whats the problem. it can only be good for your event??????

[swanaldo]

ok karoline just pretend i am some dum ass who dosnt understand insurance stuff. i know all about it really but could you just refresh my memory please

[geeza]

I believe that Robots Live encourage people to be member of the FRA, although you dont need to be a memeber to attend an event. But the tech checks and all other aspects of robot safety will adhere to the FRA rules and guidelines. Correct me if Im wrong

[anukhet]

Para 2.2d of the constitution reads:
To this end the association may:-
............
d. Provide professional indemnity insurance for the governing body of the association and its members.

This protects the FRA and its members against compensation sought by someone if you have made mistakes or are found to have been negligent. Professional indemnity insurance will also cover any legal costs.

Sorry forgot to add the quotation marks

(Message edited by anukhet on February 08, 2007)

so if thats the case and robots live do an event and there is a roboteer there who is a non member of the fra and that roboteer gets injured, or causes injury to anyone else in the crowd or pits or robots live staff then what happens? surly robots live must make it ruling to be fra members for their own saftey.

[anukhet]

In the light of the FRA rules and guidelines - if you as a roboteer and the event organiser have followed the rules & guidelines then the indemnity insurance will offer protection against a claim being made against you by (say) a member of the audience should something happen to them.

Yep Shane, that just about sums it up