Well, I will start to get my thread back now THANK YOU VERY MUCH! ;-) Anyhoo, I am getting back to work on the 30lb flipper. I am working with a friend, Bryan to CAD up the bot and do it right this time. Not all half ass like last time! But as is I will have about 7ish pounds left for the arm and armor. A picture is on the profile.... All waterjet and AL frame. The arm will be some sort of steel tube. Armor will probably end up being a sheet or two of paper :-)