FRA Debate - Intelligent Design vs. Darwinian Evolution

[geeza]

There are more than just the big bang theory in physics, not going into detail as everyone will get very bored very quickly. But if the space and time is the universe so nothing can have existed before the big bang or however the universe came into being.

Philip, a 100kg robot appearing from nowhere is not impossible, just very unlikely, it would require a very large black hole, quantum mechanics and lots of maths!

[audrey_aka_leah]

100kg robot? aint that the iron giant from outta space? *giggles*

and just what is Darwinism? is that like the darwin award, sorta unfortunate idiots? I cant be bothered to read all the posts, cos it got really nasty, bringing religon in, whats that about? tut...

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and just what is Darwinism?

Possibly some plot thing created by Frank :P. Eh, you never know nowadays...

[typhoon_driver]

evolution is all about mutation though (or so I was led to believe). A member of a species is born or develops a mutation. A lot of the time these will be blips that will cause the individual to die off rather quickly however once every so often, the mutation makes the individual stronger than the rest of the species or better equiped and so through breeding (survival of the fittest) the mutation becomes the norm.

So if my understanding of it all is correct then we are all just mutants

[ewan]

Essentially Gary, but evolution is spurred on by changes in environment, and is not just blindly random.

With regards to your post Philip, I suggest that some things may not mutate while others do due to their environmental conditions. If they remain the same for prolonged periods of time, any mutations will not become widespread within a population as the existing traits of the animal will be more advantageous given their existing background environment.

All will become clear on my next post.

[pcbore]

Interesting post Gary, but the only place Ive heard that before was in the X-Men

Frank, that was my inspiration

But that is all that evolution really is, mutations that worked out. Whether they worked out due to biology or favourable environmental conditions is irrelevant. We all mutated originally from bacteria.

A species may not mutate as it is already perfectly adapted to its surroundings. Sharks and crocodiles are perfect examples of this.

[philip_taylor]

Gary, I agree that that is what Darwin proposed. The reason Darwins theory never became Darwins law is that after people searching for proof of evolution from one species to another species for all of this time is that we have no unimpeachable proof to backup this theory. The only scientifically proven facts we have are we keep finding fossil records that show animals that have not evolved.

You can always say that you guess that life evolved from bacteria, but you should not state that sort of thing as if it has been proved. You would need to have thousands and thousands of missing links for Darwin€™s theory to have a remote chance of being correct. There would have to be some sort of fossil evidence if there were thousands and thousands of missing links.

Frank is right. It all sounds a bit like a Hollywood script. Mutants taking over the world. Gamma radiation makes me strong. Oh no, I have just been bitten by a radioactive spider. Maybe if I just throw myself into this toxic waste.

Ed, are you saying that you can disprove the law of conservation of energy?

Another belief system that likes the Darwin€™s theory is a racist belief system. The thought that monkeys evolved into black men and black men evolved into white men suits some peoples ideas of the world. Would this have been the other way around if Darwin was black or Asian? I am sure that roboteers are not racist. I have heard people putting down other races by saying that they have barely climbed down from the trees. Sadly, we, in Australia, used this notion to pay aboriginal workers half the pay of a white man and to deny them the vote and to deny them educational opportunities. Black men were treated as half human.

I think youve struck bottom at this point Philip. Not a scientific fact, just a small hope.

I think that you are really touching on other subjects there philip completely seperate from the discussion.

Yes it may well sound like a hollywood script and yes it may never be proven that the evolution theory is the end all law that governs life on this planet but from the evidence that has been presented so far by the scientific community, the big swing has to be for evolution.

science is about looking at the facts and finding a theory that fits them ALL, when a new fact comes along, that theory is changed to suit, simple. So for the moment, until we have proper proof that states otherwise then the evolution theory is correct for the time being.