FRA Debate - Intelligent Design vs. Darwinian Evolution

[mrdaves]

We are all just an experiment for a higher race of aliens.

I believe that there are too many flaws in our world for a higher intelligent cloud-being that is supposed to be omnipotential to have created all this mess. If you state that God is infallible, please try to explain to me the occurence of weird natural phenomena like Bush, Blair and earthquakes.

Anyways, I also believe that Darwin wasnt entirely right in his theories as well. He was a man of his time and in the meantime we have discovered, through other men and women, that our world and its history doesnt seem to be entirely as he wrote it down. But that was due to the ideas of his lifetime, not to his theory not being quite right. Besides, the evolutionists have maintained that it is still a theory until proven otherwise with hard facts and those scientists are still looking for them, but in the meantime Darwins theories are a good working tool. The people who advocate Intelligent Design cannot bring one single hard fact to prove their theory, hence it is not a good working tool. That is the difference really. And its all about words and ideas. We find the bones, but we cant find the fingerprints. And certainly not the signature.

I believe the world we live on to be one huge living organism, interacting with other similar organisms in what we call space. Its too huge for us to understand and so we try to create the little image of a invisible cloud-being that we call God so that our poor little brains can at least understand one itty little bit of reality.
We shouldnt be upset about it. We should be nice to Mother who is this world we live on. Would you complain that when Mother bakes cookies they dont look all exactly the same ? Be grateful that Mother spices some dishes and some not, that She lays out nice but different clothes every day, that She breaks and egg and hopes the dog will clean it up for Her.
Thing is, Mother is not nice. But She does love us in Her own way. I can live with that.

I also believe that we live and have a working mind because What Is wanted to experience material life, because It tries to understand Itself and Its purpose. We are all small parts of It: humans, animals, insects, fish and plants alike, even the rocks I guess, and worlds and stars. We are all made of the same stuff and through us What Is experiences all that is.
Aint that nice ? It makes life more interesting for me.
Im writing a book about that, for several years already but sometimes months pass by without inspiration and then I get ideas that require not only writing down but even re-writing something else as well. Its a never-ending story, but its fun. Maybe one day Ill publish it even.

We are all part of a supercomputer, and when we find the answer to life, the universe and everything, we will be blown up to make way for an intergalactic off-ramp.

[dogbot4000]

Well it doesnt say anything about dinosaurs in the bible and that means that God doesnt exist.

My name is not in the phonebook either, but i exist.

[Mouldy]

I€™m an atheist, But the alien theory is quite compelling lol

[craig_anto]

impose their narrow minded religious views on the rest of us

This is a minority not majority, the amount of people that have said to me i didnt know u were religous is substantial. I choose to accept other peoples beliefs are there own, and mine are mine. I know what i believe and i stick to it. The Bible is open to interpritation if u read everything as it is written and dont see that is is jus a book of stories and views that has evolved over 2000 years. Some facts can be distorted by thousands of people telling them. In fact if u read the bible in latin it makes for very diferent reading.

A hundered or so years ago the religous types would have been throwing eden down your throat over evolution, now its the other way round. I have the freedom to choose what i believe some times it defys logic, but if id of listend to them id never of built Tanto.

[terryc]

Im with Darwin on this. ID had nothing to do with the evolution of my robot.

Does anyone/everyone believe in the law that says in a closed system without the input of energy things go from a state of higher order to a state of lower order

Where did the energy come from to make everything we see. The many and varied theories of evolution have always contradicted the law of entropy IMO.

Nothing exploded just does not do it for me.

Where did the energy come from?

Conservation of energy is the logical consequence of the laws of nature not changing with time. It follows that at the moment of creation of time there can be no conservation of energy.

entropy

You may have misunderstood the law of entropy. The entropy of the Earth and all things on it is not doomed to increase endlessly since excess entropy is radiated into space as heat. Life on Earth takes things with low entropy and converts them into waste materials of higher entropy as a means of maintaining or increasing the internal order of its own structures. The overall increase of entropy with time is always very positive, so no thermodynamic laws are violated. All this extra entropy is removed from life-forms partly through excretion and by far larger amounts into the atmosphere or oceans as waste heat. Space is extremely huge and cold and very nearly empty - it will be able to receive this entropy in the form of low energy photons indefinitely. Were all heat trapped on Earth, life here would quickly become impossible by any means but evolution has essentially no bearing on the viability of this process since every living reproducing thing is similar in this respect.