Can a brick be successful?

**mrsam** · 11th June 2014, 17:54

Originally Posted by Eventorizon

Its not that simple. The machine came out of every fight in one piece. But since I have been the one who is repairing and upgrading its armour I have to say that its not the machine it came to the champs as. None of the machine is square anymore. Every original bulkhead is twisted. The whole machine is on slant from left to right. The chain that once ran straight is now at a slight angle.

Oh god really i had no idea it was so bad, having said that i hadn't taken it fully apart since the champs. Whilst it may be the case that the whole chassis is now twisted IMO the chassis could still have been used in that condition, i still think it's a testament to Hdpe to take that amount of damage and still be in one piece albeit a little worse for wear.

**harry hills** · 11th June 2014, 18:17

Originally Posted by Garfie489

Defector was still in a fully working condition.

Fully working yet still needed to be sent to Belgium for repairs?

**Garfie489** · 11th June 2014, 19:43

Originally Posted by harry hills

Fully working yet still needed to be sent to Belgium for repairs?

You will find alot of robots which get that far in competition either need upgrades or general repairs, as doing that many fights in the competition can really take it out of them.

Defector was still fully mobile at the end of its last fight. All that happened was a bolt came out and it got stuck on it, once freed it worked perfectly still. Infact, by the end of its last fight it could still do Figure of 8's or whatever was required to prove mobility, yet its opponent had lost steering. All i needed to do to fight again would be to bolt the base back on and charge the batteries.

It got sent to Belgium to have some of the welds redone (which i can not do), and also primarily to be redesigned for next years competition, with a new flipper and new tires (for which i have undamaged orgionals).

So yeh - Fully working

**Revsmin** · 11th June 2014, 19:48

In answer to can a brick be successful... from experience? No. Not without a wedge. I've run Ricochet without a wedge and despite having a 2mm clearance as soon as it hit something slanted it would ride up and be useless. With the wedge however, it made the top 18 this year. HDPE sides are 30mm thick and completely unbreakable. Lid is only 8mm and suffered greatly at the hand of LH3, but even with the total over the top 6 motors and 2kg of Hardox at each end it was 12.9kg at the champs. If the clearance were increased I could easily fit a 10mm lid in weight. What you really want is strong construction and HDPE to take the shock and dissipate some of it before it reaches the rest of the robot, lowering the overall impact. Hardened steels such as Hardox are no longer safe against some of the spinners, and are incredibly difficult to bend back.

**SamO** · 11th June 2014, 20:53

Joining the convo a bit late in the day, but anyway, going Back to:

Originally Posted by Eventorizon

Also, never use screws in a robot. They are far to thin and they can easily be snapped. Use bolts. Either thread the plastic or use brass inserts.

Errrr no, I think Endeavour can be shown as a testimony to that. Yes, if you use something like 2 screws to hold armour on then you are definitely going to run into problems. In Endeavour though, we used somewhere between 100-125 (possibly more) M4 screws to hold the whole thing together. I think its something like 26 screws alone to hold one motor down. At the champs last year (2013) we took 2 major hits on the side armour and all we got was a bit of a graze, no "panel ripping off" which is what you seem to be describing. Screws are definitely strong if used properly...

Originally Posted by typhoon_driver

Wood would be another useful material in this case. Easy to repair and a nightmare for spinners to get through or damage in the thicknesses you could put on a robot (think 2 inch all around the outside)

Would definitely agree with this, especially if the wood is used like spinner food! If you use really thick wood on top of HDPE or hardox etc, the spinner is unlikely to get through all the wood and even if it does you still have your "proper" armour to protect yourself anyway. Also the fact the wood splinters means that you are unlikely to get the "hit and flip" action that many verticals try to achieve.

Overall, yes bricks can definitely be successful, particularly in events like the Annihilator and the newly founded Gladiator Cup. It doesn't matter if you have the most destructive bot on the planet, if it doesn't run reliably, your never going to get anywhere

**daveimi** · 11th June 2014, 20:55

Defector is seriously impressive, as is Richochet (fought against you at Doncaster and got battered). I understand now about the need for replacement bodywork. My main thought was that to get through the rounds you simply need to keep getting back in the arena with a running machine half the time.

**daveimi** · 11th June 2014, 20:58

Does anyone have any thoughts on using blades to deflect spinners? Could this be a viable way to overcome them?

**mrsam** · 11th June 2014, 21:05

Not really sure what you mean by blades but the best way to deflect spinner IMO is to angle your body like Matt did with Hardwired, if you watch his fight with NST you'll see how effective the design was at deflecting NST's bar.

**Eventorizon** · 11th June 2014, 21:47

Originally Posted by mrsam

Oh god really i had no idea it was so bad, having said that i hadn't taken it fully apart since the champs. Whilst it may be the case that the whole chassis is now twisted IMO the chassis could still have been used in that condition, i still think it's a testament to Hdpe to take that amount of damage and still be in one piece albeit a little worse for wear.

We are using it anyway. Its still fine. Just not straight. hehe