so what would be actually classed as a true walker?

[craig_colliass]

I think everyone knows this rule is not one I agree with, however it was voted on, and a majority of Roboteers agreed with it and so like all rules it should be observed.
It dose put both Spiderbot and Pilgrim in the cambot category but they are not fighting robots so it doesn't matter.

The rule is from my perspective too restricting, to make a mechanism that has 2 degrees of movement and would stand up to the fighting environment is almost impossible, to those that would differ on this point my response is obvious, show me one example of a mechanism that would satisfy the requirements of this rule, that has won a fighting robots type fight!
Perhaps there is one but I can't think of one example.

The rule of double the weight for walkers has scared people into making a rule set that is in practice impossible to successfully satisfy. my justification for the statement is based on the number of fighting walkers on the robot scene today.

I have come to terms with the notion that competitive walking fighting robots are not going to happen, and I am satisfied with the ones I have.

With life in general things don't always happen the way you would like, some things you can change and others you can't, peace of mind comes when you learn to discern the difference.

This is an argument lost and I am happy to acknowledge the fact.

[knightrous]

Mechadon is probably the best example of a walker.

[craig_colliass]

"show me one example of a mechanism that would satisfy the requirements of this rule, that has won a fighting robots type fight!"

I may be wrong but I don't think it ever won a fight by actually fighting!

[knightrous]

The rule is from my perspective too restricting, to make a mechanism that has 2 degrees of movement and would stand up to the fighting environment is almost impossible, to those that would differ on this point my response is obvious, show me one example of a mechanism that would satisfy the requirements of this rule, that has won a fighting robots type fight!
Perhaps there is one but I can't think of one example.

The rule of double the weight for walkers has scared people into making a rule set that is in practice impossible to successfully satisfy. my justification for the statement is based on the number of fighting walkers on the robot scene today.

The ruling became so restricted and hard because too many people were trying to abuse it. It became a case of everyone was coming up with the simplest, easiest, barely a walking mechanism they could use under the biggest spinner possible. Once the rules changed, it was no longer worth the effort to abuse, so people just went back to wheels. And that is why the walker design dropped off the face of the earth.

You can still see the abuse in the antweights where there are shuffling antweight walkers with spinning weapons nearly heavier then their entire opponent.

"show me one example of a mechanism that would satisfy the requirements of this rule, that has won a fighting robots type fight!" I may be wrong but I don't think it ever won a fight by actually fighting!

I believe Mechadon won a single fight in it's career, and it was due to the opponent breaking down mid fight :P

[Max]

Wouldn't an ordinary wheel which could be moved in and out by say a servo count as 2 independent axis of movement?

[playzooki]

maybe we could have another class of walkers that get a 50kg weight bonus?

[typhoon_driver]

I have a mechanism design in mind and have some parts for it but it will require a good few years worth of development before it would move. Need to have my workshop up and running before I look at it seriously.