Thats the tricky thing Dave the rules are grey and just need some clarification as the opponent showed it couldnt selfright and didnt move for over 30 seconds. Again I have absolutely no problems with them, they are great guys. Its more to do with rule interpretation. I thought the battle was already over however it the judges hadn't started counting. Regarding the pit we are stuck with its depth so for us we need to find a way of taking away advantages of certain weapon types. Its certainly not to stop minority robots like seraphim but to even the majority of flippers.

I understand for shows and whiteboards do what you like because its 'fun' its 'entertaining' however we do sports events so the rules need to be clear.