How could I Improve pt 2

[swanaldo]

S28 400 on 200kg robot is not good either

[leorcc]

I agree with Swanny. You will need either more motors distributing the load, or much better suitable motors.

[samuel3764]

Here is the revised version.

Mangled Metal

Weight: 200kg.
Shape: Cylinder ala Puck.
Colour: Green.
Dimensions: 120 X 120 X 23.
Power: 2 X LEM-130's @ 36v powered by several NiCad's, shock mounted.
Wheels: 4 X Aluminum Tyres with Urethane Rubber.
Armour: 3.5mm Hardox for Top and Bottom, 6mm Hardox for weapon.
GC: 6mm Everywhere.
Top Speed: 10 mph.
Weapon: 59kg Ring Spinner powered by a LEM-200, with 3 X 3kg Pussycat style blades and spinning at 1300RPM. Shock-Mounted to protect itself from its own blows.
Srimech: Invertible.
Strengths: Once it hits you, YOU will be mangled metal. Flipping it does nothing. At all.
Weaknesses: Slow and Sluggish.

Mind-Bender

Weight: 250kg.
Shape: Cone with top 20cm cut off... kinda like Megabyte
Colour: Swirl of black and white ala Hypnodisc.
Dimensions: 120 X 120 X 27.
Power: 2 X LEM-130's @ 36v, powered by several NiCad Batteries, Shock-Mounted.
Wheels: 4 X Aluminum Wheels with Asmaprene Urethane Rubber on it.
Armour: 4mm Grade 5 Titanium for the robot armour, 5mm Hardox for the weapon.
GC: 5mm Everywhere.
Top Speed: Roughly 8 mph.
Weapon: Get this. A 59kg Whyachi style Spinning Cage powered by a LEM-200. This spins at 1500RPM, and has 3 X 1kg hardox claws to wreak havoc. Heavily Shock-Mounted, as well. Can you say, OUCH?!
Srimech: None! :O But I'd like to see you get past his cage spinner.
Strengths: Destruction to the MAX!
Weaknesses: Flip it, and it'll be gone.

Head Smash!

Weight: 300kg.
Shape: Think a box, with a Dantomkia-style front wedge, and a rounded back.
Colour: Red, with an image of Decapitated Head on Top.
Dimensions: 125 X 96.8 X 32.
Power: 2 X E-Tek's @ 48v, powered by several NiCad Batteries.
Wheels: 4 X Urethane Rubber Tyres with Hardox Hubs.
Armour: 6.5mm Hardox, with 12mm Grade 5 Titanium for the Base.
GC: 0mm for the front, 6mm for anywhere else.
Top Speed: 19 mph.
Weapon: A mega-powerful rack and pinion hammer. The entire hammer is made of hardox, and the hammerhead is shaped like the Judge's hammer. Powered by a couple of CO2 tanks @ 500PSI, and is able to obliterate aluminum, terrorize titanium, penetrate weak hardox. But who knows, it might even knock something loose inside of the victim.
Srimech: Hammer, duh.
Strengths: The Hammer, Pushing Power is really good, too.
Weaknesses: So-So Turning.

Lancelot

Weight: 400kg
Shape: Invertible Box ala Tornado (Series 4)
Colour: Metallic Silver
Dimensions: 130 X 100 X 27
Power: 2 X E-Tek's @ 48v, powered by a couple of NiCad's, shock mounted
Tracks: Stainless Steel Tracks, with polyurethane rubber on it.
GC: 5mm Everywhere
Armour: 6mm Hardox Everywhere except for underbelly which is 15mm Titanium
Top Speed: 20 mph
Weapon: A set of Horizontal Claws powered by a Vivoil pump running off a S28-400, and tungsten-coated to induce some severe damage.
Srimech: None, but Invertible; side cones stop it from getting beached
Strengths: Very powerful Weapon. Pushing power is also good
Weaknesses: So-so turning?

Gorgon

Weight: 500kg
Shape: Rollover Shape with low front wedge and fangs, and with a Medusa's head painted on each side.
Colour: Camouflage tone of Chartreuse, Khaki, and Lime Green. It's so damn disgusting, you could almost puke...
Dimensions: 120 X 100 X 27
Power: 2 X E-Tek's @ 48v, powered by many NiCad's, shock-mounted
Wheels: 4 X Vulkalon Coated Aluminium Tyres
GC: 6mm Everywhere except the front, which is 0mm
Armour: 5mm Hardox
Top Speed: 15 mph
Weapon: Crushing fangs made of hardox, and powered by an M-Mac M40 Actuator. The front wedge also has some barbs to trap other robots.
Srimech: It rolls over onto its wheels every time it gets flipped over.
Strengths: Extremely good weapon, can chew through almost anything (except for thick hardox)
Weaknesses: ...

King Arthur

Weight: 750kg
Shape: Box with a front Growler-like jaw, and a crown on top.
Colour: Gold for the top and bottom, Silver for the front and back and Bronze for the sides
Dimensions: 130 X 100 X 45
Power: 2 X LEM-200's @ 60v, powered by several NiCads.
Tracks: Vulkalon Coated Titanium Tracks
GC: 0mm on the front, 5mm anywhere else
Armour: 7mm Hardox Monocoque
Top Speed: 10 mph
Weapon: On the back, there is a huge 32kg vertical flywheel that is powered by a LEM-200, and spinning at 6000RPM. On the front, there is a set of vertical jaws (Think Growler, but much more powerful), powered by a Vivoil Pump running off a S28-400. It has 12 tungsten-tipped teeth inside the jaws to cause maximum damage.
Srimech: None!
Strengths: Indestructible.
Weaknesses: No Srimech! :O

[corsair_lightning]

Okay. Time to get started on my revised robots.

Roveress Evo
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Biohazard, with Growler's head at the front.
Colour: Brown, with black and white splotches in some places.
Dimensions: 95cm x 65cm x 30cm
Drive: 4x S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 5x NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 foam filled wheels.
Armour: 6.5mm Titanium/Vanadium alloy.
Speed: 21mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front due to wedge, and at sides and back due to skirts. 5mm at sides and back without skirts.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon: The bottom Jaw Is fixed to the ground, and shaped like a wedge with Mute-style barbs on it. Once a robot is stuck on the wedge, the top Jaw, powered by a 2.2kg 1000psi Nitrogen tank, comes down with over 2 tonnes of force.
Srimech: A lifting arm, built into the back of the robot, powered by a Bosch drill motor.
Strengths: Fast and maneuverable.
Weaknesses: The Srimech doesn't always work.

Side Swipe 2
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Panic Attack (S2) with a Tornado style wedge on the front
Colour: Silver
Dimensions: 90cm x 65cm x 35cm
Drive: 2x TWM3R Team Whyachi gearboxes connected to 2x S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 5x NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 Vulkanized rubber wheels with Aluminum Boron Carbide hubs.
Armour: 7mm Titanium/Vanadium alloy
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front due to wedge, at back and sides due to skirts. 5mm at back and sides without skirts.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon: A titanium 5kg 70cm-in-length spinning bar that spins at 2000rpm, powered by an S28-400 Magmotor. The robot has shock proofing to absorb the punishment dealt out by this weapon.
Srimech: Invertible
Strengths: Powerful weapon and good ground clearance.
Weaknesses: Not the most reliable bot.

El Camino
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Invertible Cylinder
Colour: Red. The teeth are painted gold.
Dimensions: 80cm x 80cm x 25cm
Drive: 2x S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 5x NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 2 Vulkanized rubber wheels with Aluminum Boron Carbide hubs.
Armour: 5.2mm Hardox
Speed: 18mph
Ground Clearance: 5mm all around.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon: The body spins around at 2000rpm, powered by an E-Tek, and has 4 Hardox teeth approximatly 6cm above the ground.
Srimech: Invertible
Strengths: Deadly weapon!
Weaknesses: Quite unstable.

Bubble Blaster
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Dreadnaut XP-1 (S4)
Colour: Blue. The Crusher is Silver.
Dimensions: 90cm x 60cm x 50cm
Drive: 4x S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 6x NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 Vulkanized rubber wheels.
Armour: 7mm Titanium/Vanadium alloy
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm all around due to skirts. 5mm without skirts.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon: A very big 3000psi Titanium/Vanadium alloy crusher. Powered by a Vivoli pump motor, it can come down with over 6 tonnes of force.
Srimech: The domed shape will help it self-right. If that fails there is always the S28-400 Magmotor powered self-righting arm built into the back of the robot.
Strengths: Tough Armor and speed for a robot of its shape.
Weaknesses: Not very maneuverable.

Minesweeper
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Tornado (S6)
Colour: Silver, with MINESWEEPER written on the sides in red.
Dimensions: 90cm x 85cm x 25cm
Drive: 4x Bosch 750 motors, powered by 5x 36V NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 Titanium/Vanadium alloy wheels with Vulkanized rubber tyres.
Armour: 6mm Hardox
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front and back due to scoops, and 5mm at sides.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon: 2 Hardox snowplow-like scoops that can move slightly vertically, like Behemoth's, so I get good pushing power, but 0mm ground clearance at front and back.
Srimech: Invertible
Strengths: Super-reliable and fast.
Weaknesses: Not too much of an offensive weapon.

Cyrilium Mach 3
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Mortis (S4)
Colour: Gold
Dimensions: 100cm x 70cm x 30cm
Drive: 4x S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 5x 24V NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 Titanium/Vanadium alloy wheels with Vulkanized rubber tyres.
Armour: 5.5mm Hardox
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front, and 5mm everywhere else.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon 1: A diamond tipped pneumatic axe, powered by a 220psi 2kg C02 tank. it can poke holes in 3mm Titanium, and actually scratch 5mm titanium.
Weapon 2: A flipping arm, powered by a 1.5kg C02 tank at 750psi. It can lift up to 250kg.
Srimech: The flipping arm.
Strengths: Twin weapons.
Weaknesses: Unreliable.

Trojan/Virus/Worm (TVW for short)
Shape: Biohazard
Dimensions: 95cm x 65cm x 25cm
Weight: 100kg
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm all around due to skirts, and 5mm without.
Colour: Black
Turning Circle: 0m
Locomotion: 4 solid rubber wheels mounted internally.
Power: 4x S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 6x NiCad Battlepacks.
Armour: The skirts are 4mm titanium, while the body armour is 6mm titanium.
Weapon: A Hydra-shaped axe, powered by 2x 2kg Co2 tanks feeding Co2 to a 70mm bore 550mm stroke ram, which gives it about 660kgs of force. It has the ability to pierce 3mm titanium, and actually scratch 5mm titanium.
Srimech: Due to the power of the axe, the robot can easily self-right.
Notes: Has lots of shockproofing to prevent shock damage.
Strengths: Fast axe to do a lot of damage in a short amount of time.
Weaknesses: Not tough enough to withstand a beating from a major spinner.

Interstate
Weight: 100kg
Shape: El Diablo (Battlebots Series 2.0)
Colour: Blue, with I-35 written on the top.
Dimensions: 90cm x 65cm x 30cm
Drive: 4x LEM-130 motors, powered by 6x NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 fully Vulkanized rubber wheels
Armour: 8mm Titanium/Vanadium alloy
Speed: 19mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at sides and back due to skirts, 5mm without skirts, usually 5mm at front.
Turning Circle: 0m
Setup 1: A 10kg solid Hardox wedge at the front, 0mm ground clearance, designed to kill spinners where they stand.
Setup 2: a 5kg drum, with 10 tiny Hardox teeth, powered by an LEM-200 at 2000rpm, at the front.
Srimech: invertible
Strengths: I have a choice of weapons.
Weaknesses: Too maneuverable, can sometimes get out of control.

Ninjoid Evo
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Tornado Mer with a skirt around the bottom.
Colour: Black, with red on top.
Dimensions: 95cm x 95cm x 25cm
Drive: 4x S28-400 Magmotors powered by 5x NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 foam filled wheels
Armour: 6.5mm Titanium/Vanadium alloy
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm with skirts, and 5mm without skirts.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon: A 1.25m 140kj 4000rpm titanium blade, powered by a Combatparts 6-mag gearbox with 6 S28-400 Magmotors. The robot has lots of shockproofing to counteract the force of the blade.
Srimech: The force of the blade can cause it to right itself after a flip. Sort of like Mauler, except it cannot be stranded on its back.
Strengths: Very dangerous.
Weaknesses: Can flip. The inertia is not always strong enough to flip it back over.

Corsair
Weight: 100kg
Shape: All Torque (Series 2) with a wedge at the front.
Colour: Gold, with a black stripe down the middle, and CORSAIR written on the sides.
Dimensions: 95cm x 70cm x 25cm
Drive: 4x S28-400 Magmotors powered by 5x NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 internally mounted fully Vulkanized rubber wheels.
Speed: 17mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front due to wedge, 5mm at sides and back.
Turning Circle: 0m
Armour: 5.5mm Hardox
Weapon: a 12mm titanium wedge, mounted on the front.
Srimech: an pneumatic flipping arm, built into the back of the robot, powered by a 1.5kg C02 tank at 750psi.
Strengths: At least half-tough.
Weaknesses: Quite slow for a vapour.

Armory
Weight: 99kg
Shape: Big rectangular prism with a wedge at the front.
Colour: Yellow, with blue on the top and bottom.
Dimensions: 90cm x 50cm x 25cm
Drive: 2x S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 5x NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 2 externally mounted fully Vulkanized rubber wheels.
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front due to wedge, 0mm at sides and back with skirts, 5mm without skirts.
Turning Circle: 0m
Armour: 7mm Titanium/Vanadium alloy
Weapon: a 20kg Supernova shaped titanium disc with 2 2kg Hardox Hammerheads, powered by an LEM-200.
Srimech: Invertible
Strengths: Tough, with a dangerous weapon.
Weaknesses: Turns too fast.

Tenderizer
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Imagine Hell's Teeth, with a wedge on the front, and with Thor's Hammer.
Colour: Black
Dimensions: 100cm x 50cm x 25cm
Drive: 2x S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 5x NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 2 Vulkanized rubber wheels at the front, and a caster at the back.
Speed: 19mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front due to wedge, 5mm at sides and back.
Turning Circle: 0m
Armour: 8mm Titanium/Vanadium alloy
Weapon: A Thor style rack and pinion hammer, with a 2kg meat tenderizer for a hammer head,
powered by a 2kg C02 tank at 200psi, It can come down with about 1000kg of force, and easily pierce 5mm titanium.
Srimech: The axe can easily self-right the robot.
Strengths: Crushing Weapon and tough armour.
Weaknesses: None that i can think of, yet.

Any idea on how to improve these bots?

[majinb]

Thats alot of bots Mark and Im not gonna look at all of them at once, if you tell me your 2 or 3 favourites I'm gonna have a better look at them ok?

[corsair_lightning]

Minesweeper, Side Swipe 2, and Cyrilium Mach 3.

EDIT: And surprisingly, the original Side Swipe was a ripoff of your Sheer Heart Attack 2.

[joey_picus]

Minesweeper: Ditch the Bosches...despite their frequent use in real world bots they're not really viable for vapours due to their weight and relatively low power. (damn us being so overkill in fanfic that 11hp isn't enough ) I did a table here that shows the weight and size of some motors, and for a rammer I'd go for four S28-400s at 24v or two LEMs of some kind at 36v, giving you more power for quite a bit less weight than the Bosch 750s.

Side Swipe: ...where's the bar? :P Also you haven't stated what voltage the motors run at, I assume it's 24v but we don't know.

Cyrilium Mach 3: Looks overweight to me...you have four Mags on four wheel drive, quite thick Hardox, one full pressure weapon, and one low pressure weapon...one of those does not belong, possibly two of them.
Also the weapons could do with a bit more description - most stats for axes state what sort of mechanism the axe works on, and I've mentioned before that estimates for precise thicknesses of armour are a bit useless really.

I haven't looked at the others in detail yet but the one with the ten Magmotors in is definitely overweight XD

[corsair_lightning]

Revised it according to Joey.

Side Swipe 2
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Panic Attack (S2) with a Tornado style wedge on the front
Colour: Silver
Dimensions: 90cm x 65cm x 35cm
Drive: 2x 24v S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 5x NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 Vulkanized rubber wheels with Aluminum Boron Carbide hubs.
Armour: 7mm Titanium/Vanadium alloy
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front due to wedge, at back and sides due to skirts. 5mm at back and sides without skirts.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon: A titanium 5kg 70cm-in-length spinning bar on top of the robot, that spins at 2000rpm, powered by a 24v S28-400 Magmotor. The robot has shock proofing to absorb the punishment dealt out by this weapon.
Srimech: Invertible
Strengths: Powerful weapon and good ground clearance.
Weaknesses: Not the most reliable bot.

Minesweeper
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Tornado (S6)
Colour: Silver, with MINESWEEPER written on the sides in red.
Dimensions: 90cm x 85cm x 25cm
Drive: 2x LEM-130 motors, powered by 6x 36v NiCad Battlepacks. The wheels power the 2 middle wheels.
Locomotion: 6 Titanium/Vanadium alloy wheels with Vulkanized rubber tyres.
Armour: 6mm Hardox
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front and back due to scoops, and 5mm at sides.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon: 2 Hardox snowplow-like scoops that can move slightly vertically, like Behemoth's, so I get good pushing power, but 0mm ground clearance at front and back.
Srimech: Invertible
Strengths: Super-reliable and fast. Now more maneuverable.
Weaknesses: Not too much of an offensive weapon.

Cyrilium Mach 3
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Mortis (S4)
Colour: Gold
Dimensions: 90cm x 65cm x 30cm
Drive: 2x LEM-130 motors, powered by 6x 36V NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 Titanium/Vanadium alloy wheels with Vulkanized rubber tyres.
Armour: 5mm Titanium
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front, and 5mm everywhere else.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon 1: A diamond tipped pneumatic axe, powered by a 200psi 1.75kg C02 tank. it can poke holes in 3mm Titanium, and actually scratch 5mm titanium.
Weapon 2: A flipping arm, powered by a 1.75kg C02 tank at 750psi. It can lift up to 250kg.
Srimech: The flipping arm.
Strengths: Twin weapons.
Weaknesses: Unreliable.

[joey_picus]

That creates another problem though, if the bar's on the top how is the robot invertible? :P

Also you haven't addressed the issue of axe mechanisms in Cyrilium, the armour's fine but knowing how the axe works would be useful.

[corsair_lightning]

Fixed it.

Side Swipe 2
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Panic Attack (S2) with a Tornado style wedge on the front
Colour: Silver
Dimensions: 90cm x 65cm x 35cm
Drive: 2x 24v S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 5x NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 Vulkanized rubber wheels with Aluminum Boron Carbide hubs.
Armour: 7mm Titanium/Vanadium alloy
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front due to wedge, at back and sides due to skirts. 5mm at back and sides without skirts.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon: A titanium 5kg 70cm-in-length spinning bar at the front of the robot, that spins at 2000rpm, powered by a 24v S28-400 Magmotor. The robot has shock proofing to absorb the punishment dealt out by this weapon.
Srimech: Invertible
Strengths: Powerful weapon and good ground clearance.
Weaknesses: Not the most reliable bot.

Cyrilium Mach 3
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Mortis (S4)
Colour: Gold
Dimensions: 90cm x 65cm x 30cm
Drive: 2x LEM-130 motors, powered by 6x 36V NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 Titanium/Vanadium alloy wheels with Vulkanized rubber tyres.
Armour: 5mm Titanium
Speed: 20mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at front, and 5mm everywhere else.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon 1: A diamond tipped pneumatic axe, powered by a 200psi 1.75kg C02 tank, driven by a 70mm bore, 150mm stroke ram. it can poke holes in 3mm Titanium, and actually scratch 5mm titanium.
Weapon 2: A flipping arm, powered by a 1.75kg C02 tank at 750psi. It can lift up to 250kg.
Srimech: The flipping arm.
Strengths: Twin weapons.
Weaknesses: Unreliable.