Is this even worth fighting for?

**james...venom** · 9th January 2004, 16:57

The razer guys reason to not enter an event is up to them, rw is just a compertition, nobody has to enter it and im sure all of you guys have missed an event at some point. the thing that bothers me is that when the razer guys decide for whatever reason they dont want to go to an event everyone is so quick to start nit picking and name them scardy cats. wh yall the fuss???? have you all forgoten that hypno disk wasnt there and hey niether did wheely big chesse. Why all the moaning when its about Razer. I know if i were them i wouldnt want to come back to a community like this.

just my oppinion.

**shredderteam** · 9th January 2004, 17:23

They draw more fire merely because they get defended and discussed as best ever more often by their fans.
Dont be mislead into thinking theres anything but respect for what theyve built and achieved amongst the builders.. we all know how good Razer was (and possibly still is!), but were also aware that theyre not the be all and end all of the sport..
How many threads are there like this about Hypnodisk? None Im guessing.. Razer fans tend to be more vocal than most!

Karoline.. I dont dislike them as you seem to think! Please stop suggesting I do... far from it, I wish there were far more teams like them out there.. wed certainly get a lot more interesting machines in terms of creativity!

Anyway

Sam
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**storm** · 9th January 2004, 17:49

James, before putting a staunch post blindly supporting Razer (who was it who said Razer fans were vocal) engage brain - do you actually know why they didnt enter ?

It just came down to financials - in order to offset the risk of being wrecked (and lose their income source), they wanted money. Simple as that. They felt it made more sense not to take the risk that the robot could get damaged and they lost their source of income.

Does that make them scardy cats... - well yes course it does ! They wernt willing to take the gamble and took a lower risk option, thats what being scared is, scared of losing an asset, scared of losing a fight - whatever. Their past performance has shown them to be petrified of taking damage, but thats a side effect of building art bots and theyll be the first to admit it.

While theyre not driving Razer theyre great guys. Ian suffers badly from Red Mist syndrome and has been known to become a very unpleasant character at times as a result, but thats what happens sometimes. As I said, most of the time theyre great guys.

Razer were good - however I think their own memories from the Glory Years says it well. Life moves on. The team has chosen what they want to do in life.

Ed
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**leorcc** · 9th January 2004, 17:50

It is mainly because of Razer i came interested in Robotwars, and after seeing them live i was sure i wanted to be in this sport.

When i came to robotwars for the first time 3 years ago, it was for BNN Robotwars, a primairaly dutch competition to be filmed during filming of the UK competition and RW Extreme.

That year i met a lot of british roboteers for the very first time, and of coarse i was full of questions about how they solved issues we had with our robots.

Virtually everyone i talked to, took the time and effort to give me, and the army of dutch/belgian roboteers with me, a good solid answer to all questions, even showing it inside their robots if time and space permitted.

But what i saw the Razer team did really dumbfounded me. I asked the a reasonable simple question about placement of the ram and the motor drive. Not only did they tell me, but they took Razer apart on the spot, pulling all the stuff off they had just finished putting on. Within minutes i was looking down the belly of the beast.

To me that was incredible, and thanks to them and all the other roboteers i now have a much better understanding of fighting robots than i would have if we were just muddling along in Holland.

Right there and then, i knew this was the kind of sport i wanted to be in. Friends outside the arena, opponents inside the arena, but always respectfull of eachother.

And this concludes my mushy lubbydubby feelgood story of the day.

**babeth** · 9th January 2004, 21:08

James, the guys of Hypnodisk had a very solid reason, the team of Wheely Big Cheese had theirs, and so did the people of Razer. All these have been discussed ad nauseam on the Robot Wars forum.
But when Razer fans keep on yelling and yelling that their god would win everything people do tend to become a tiny little bit annoyed about that. So it is not the team we snarl at, but the brainless idiots who call themselves fans.

9th January 2004, 22:58

I think youre being a little harsh there Babeth.

The Razer supporters arent brainless idiots, they are fans in the true meaning of the word i.e. fanatics, and their emotions will always tend to colour their reasoning when it comes to the object of their fanatiticism.

Whilst to me their attitude seems to me to be akin to the My country, right or wrong breed of patriotism, I can understand it to some extent. Were all human, all of us reasoning and emotional. Its getting the balance right thats the difficult part.

Having said all that, I too wish theyd all let the controversy and endless discussion die a natural and speedy death.

(Bother! Writing this hasnt helped that wish at all, has it?

)

Richard

**babeth** · 9th January 2004, 23:08

In my book fanatics are brainless idiots Richard, so are patriots by the way and even my humble self falls for that occasionally so I know what Im talking about. Honesty is a virtue.

**spinnerboy** · 10th January 2004, 03:52

U must have a very unique book Elisabeth

**james...venom** · 10th January 2004, 09:19

Ed,

Yes i do know exactly why the razer guys didnt enter, Ian and i are good friends. yes it was partly due to finantials think about it, do a compertition and risk your carrer. whats the point? they allready won it so they couldnt achive any higher. would anybody? no, hypno didnt niether did wheely big chesse ( i belive they didnt enter for the same reason, not too sure though ). I dont see what all your moanings about, if they dont what to enter why should they. They dont think there gods, and they are probably the most down to earth guys around.

If its the fans your annoyed at then moan to them after all they are only fans and not experts in the field.

i just wish some of you would grow up and find some one else to pick at. no wait, why cant you all just be nice???

**tim_jones** · 10th January 2004, 09:28

I would say that Elisabeths book isnt that different to mine (the english dictionary) it says a fanatic is someone whose enthusiasm is beyond normal limits. Brainless idiot may be a bit strong, but a fanatical approach to things is usually not the wisest of lines to take.

There is obviously a difference between a fan and a fanatic.

Who would ever have expected the FRA forum to have us all reaching for our dictionaries

Im going to put mine back on the bookshelf until next year.

Regards

Tim