What not to do!!!!!

**psychostorm** · 5th October 2014, 17:59

Originally Posted by grant_ploughbot

but it's their duty to make multiple trips to go and see the arena designs and building throughout the process to make sure well in advance that there is a safe arena being produced, and if not call the show off. It's irresponsible not just because their insurances almost certainly won't cover anything,

Multiple trips? to Australia? Irresponsible as it may be, if Jonno has a contract that states his company has no liability for the audience in the event of debris. - he doesn't have to cancel squat. Not legally his problem.

I know you are more of a moral man than that, Grant but you don't have the RW rights holders on your back either.

but with the robot wars brand being used we all fall under that image and so it has far greater effects on other organisers around the world to if they were just called roaming Robots. I think it's about due for another FRA meeting.

Originally Posted by marto

I stressed the importance of the arena in my contact with them but they obviously completely ignored that when they switched to RR. Is there anyway to get in contact with EO as I would like some sort of explanation as its the rest of us here in Aus which are going to get screwed if there is/was an incident.

You could well ask for an FRA meeting at Gloucester but doesn't mean Jonno has to stick around for it. The fact that the public associates Robot Combat with Robot Wars isn't his technically concern either. Which means he can play footloose and fancy free with impunity, the public perception of your events.

**geeza** · 5th October 2014, 18:22

Ceri, It won't matter, if a member of the public is badly injured or killed by a robot it will reach back to the insurance companies. And that will be that they will not insure any events. We all have the same responsibility for safety, wherever we are.

**typhoon_driver** · 5th October 2014, 18:40

I could sign a contract that says I could go out and kill someone. Doesn't mean that I won't be held liable for my actions if I followed through.

In my eyes if someone were to be injured or killed this would fall under gross negligence which would be a willful disregard for the safety of those in the audience. You wouldn't have a leg to stand on to defend yourself as the rules are well stated here and have been previously followed with regards to arena standards.

The event should have never taken place. If that is the arena that's been provided then you don't run the event until a proper arena is in place.

**psychostorm** · 5th October 2014, 19:13

Completely missed the point of my post. Thanks. Yes, every person has a responsibility to Health & Safety. I'm not for anybody waiving responsibilities.

Originally Posted by typhoon_driver

You wouldn't have a leg to stand on to defend yourself as the rules are well stated here and have been previously followed with regards to arena standards.

The arena rules on this site aren't legally binding though.
Legally, they are recommendations of safety under threat of the volunteers not turning up. Doesn't mean anyone has to obey them.

Legally, there is nothing the FRA can do to stop this happening anywhere. The ball is entirely in Jonno's court.

Unless Robot Combat was listed as a sport by Sport England with the FRA listed as an official national body.

**typhoon_driver** · 5th October 2014, 19:27

yeah you're right, what was the point of your post?

**psychostorm** · 5th October 2014, 19:33

Legally, there is nothing the FRA can do to stop this happening anywhere.

**shakesc** · 5th October 2014, 19:46

If at the end of the day my robot gets mashed in the arena its all part of parcel of the sport/hobby. I still duck when a robot hits the polycarb.
Precedence has been set in the safety measures held by all EO's. If injury occurs and that precedence hasn't been followed I would not like to be defending that position.
Its not that different to a "state of the art" defence