Clarification from all event organisers please

basically its regarding entering my fw cluster in your events. i want to make sure im right and fair and within the rules! :proud:

my cluster is identical but one half is quite a bit heavier than the other. (combined weight 13.4kg) is it right that if the lighter half (under 50%) gets immobilised i can carry on?
as me and my co driver know which is the lighter half, what we were basically going to do was if the heavier (ie over 50%) became immobilised the other half would just stop so you/judges/opponent knew which was which and that the fight had ended for us.

the lids are labelled one double the other trouble but we swop the lids so competitors are always guessing which is the lighter machine (otherwise they would work out say double is the heaviest, and take that out first) :wink:
the only problem i can see is that after every fight you would need to weigh each half to make sure im not cheating LOL.

hope that makes sense, as im confused now!!

As far as I understand how the percentages work is that if there are two cluster bots each is 50%. If there are 3 then each is 33.3% and so on. Regardless of how much each weights.

i thought it was if 1 side was out then both are

tbh i think it should be if both are out your out as that could be classed as ur weapon - like when our flipper doesnt work then were out

im unsure but i this post is from when i started building, and wasnt sure what the current situation is.

Adrian,

We use a 50% rule... ·

Cluster bots, if 50% or more of the clusters becomes immobile or knocked out, all of the clusters are deemed to be knocked out.

If one weighs 5.5kg and the other 6.5kg, and the 5.5kg one gets knocked out, then you will still be classed as mobile.

if they both weigh the same and one gets knocked out, then they are both knocked out.

I dont believe there is an actual rule on the linking mech, however i would like to think an effort would be made to physically link them together. Maybe something better than Gaffer tape.

John
http://www.RoamingRobots.co.ukwww.RoamingRobots.co.uk

i guess thats what the answer will be for all EOs

i think the only one which the rule will need to be definate is the robochallenge events as thats when you will be fighting for prizes but this is changing at RR and coudl also at RL but i dont know about them

thats ok it wont be competing at robochallenge, as that is when i use the spinner, im just checking that things havent changed and im within the rules. i hope it doesnt cause a prob as i never moaned about those blimin flippers, when the rule was say 12kg plus gas :wink:

one thing john, it will be intersting to see how high you send me :lol:

(Message edited by ady on January 28, 2008)

hehe

i dont think it will be a problem - will be a change as havent had many clusters can only think of james coopers

will be good to flip :P

lol yeye i think ull be hitting the roof a few times with good flips - i dont think ill be dominating much this yr with the bots what are coming in - maybe around 5 or 6 flippers now which are all as good as each other so its going to be about who gets who 1st

if i get the job iv applied for where me dad works im gonna spend me 1st months wages on 2 mags n a roboteq for a heavy :P as heavys rule but feathers r fun

we need a spinner heavy arena EOs :P

we need a spinner heavy arena EOs :P

Believe me ... You dont! :proud:

Geoff;

We do. Ive been fighting heavyweights competitively for a few years now, and ive sort of given up recently due to lack of interest.. this is due the fact that i still havnt come up against a spinner. Really would like to smash a spinner or get smashed.. i like being scared going into a battle, the most worried i get now is against tiberious (but even then i know Sams a wimp :P lol) , THZ just nocks you about, puts the odd dent in.. but hes never done structural damage to me. Tiberious probably could. and i know a good enough spinner could.

Too many people moan about taking damage these days, and have forgotten the smile, fix and repair frame of mind the sport needs to get big again.

Im going to try and put abit more effort back into the sport this year after having a few months break from bothering with it (i havnt even looked at either Turbulence MK2 or MK1 since hemel hempstead / uk champs)

Ive heard Shane swann finaly won somthing, carnt be having that.. Turbulence mk1 and MK2 will be back running and kicking ass soon.

thats why i like feathers, as you can use a spinner! it does put a downer on hw championship competitions when not all designs of robots can compete, but i can understand the costs etc.... of an arena. Is that maybe why more of the old robots dont compete anymore do ya think?

na adrian thats because its not on tv imo

razer is one of the only ppl iv heard say they wud love to fight again but cant as they make money off razer so cant damage it and i think firestorm has done a few static displays and said to my dad something like it costs 2 much to repair - i dno

but if it was announced tomo that it will b bk on tv this summer then they would be all back

funnily enough i had this conversation with someone today. They believed that heavyweights are better because the audience prefer them, and roboteers like it not fighting spinners, and that alot of roboteers dont want to fight spinners.
My point of view is that its not fighting robots or robot wars without full combat.
Thats exactly why I havnt built a heavyweight.
And thats also why alot of people now make feathers, because they can get that thrill of full combat - knowing you can get smashed.

anyways im guessing from eos input that everything is fine with my cluster, and i can just carry one as planned lol

Ive said it before as well, we need heavyweight spinners as much as we need axes, crushers and flippers. In order to have a proper competition all styles of robots should be able to compete.

But not all of the time, people that have been in RW know that repairing robots every week time and time again after every single event is getting old quick. It also is a fact we need as many active robots as possible and destroying them at every event will mean we dilute the numbers even more.

For major events (UK Champs, European champs) I still say we need to find a way to include spinners. But thats not going to be easy.

Grant And thats also why alot of people now make feathers, because they can get that thrill of full combat - knowing you can get smashed.

i dont think so lol

I agree with grant. If heavies were full combat we would have been there. Its more playing at most events, i prefer the thrill of competeing with a machine thats taken blood sweat and tears to build and to watch it do its think and dominate in the arena is a real buzz.

Half the fun of a disc from my perspective is seeing where the problems are with my design, what goes wrong and where to improve.

It is a constant process as discs are so unpredictable in the arena.

Hopefully some day soon we will see heavyweight spinners running again.

Hi Guys,


On the subject of heavy spinners and arenas, from my side i dont think its a problem with the actual arena, its more problems with finding a venue / event that is viable to run it.

If we were to upgrade, it would mean 3 trucks to transport it, or one big one.
It would mean a probable 2 day build which included a forklift and a gang of labour to do it.
Plus a 1 day get out leaving a venue hire of 5 days and the costs which went with it.

And then we come to the actual robots.. would it encourage more to enter? would we end up with no robots as they all get destroyed? do we make an investment of time and money for 2 or 3 spinners to come along, fight and then break.

i remember we had our FW class 2 event and all of the spinners broke early in the competition. Until they are allowed to run, they wont develop, it is a vicious circle.

I dont know what the answer is, its back to... what does the future have in store for us ?? .

John

it will be back on tv in the next couple of years so were sorted then

Heavy weight spinners back mmmmmmm! Is it time for me to dust off the Saints (18Kg-1500RPM-12mm thick steel) halo?:mrgreen:

no i think i prefer your spikes.... i think the saint must be one of the most reliable robots out there at the moment.. coupled with a nasty disc, it would be deadly !!!

No matter what we throw at it, it keeps going, a credit to you craig !!

Look forward to seeing you again !!

John

it stopped when tiberious nibbled at it :proud:
Luckily no real damage though

so its alright to cause us damage grant but not the saint :blush::rofl:

Jonno as usual your too kind perhaps I should have robot driving lessons so I don€™t pit it so often!
Mark said he enjoyed his first robot event.
:mrgreen:

my names Craig and i have a bold patch on my head i tell myself im ok with it but really i want to shave it all off so it looks like i am bold on purpose (kind of like Moby play) but my wife controls my hairstyles which is why i look like wolverines grandad. thankyou for being my friends:blush:

heres the deal... if saint is either

Not in the pit

or

Not outside of the arena

SAINT WINS !!! :)

John

Mark your DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:

lol i was gonna post the same thing on my dads but he will moan at me

bald ppl these days ay

LOL

clip him round the ear hole craig.

Shane,

Mark said, €œare you bald,€ I said, €œno€ so he said €œthen I respect him!€
Hes a Bald bigot Blood will be shed!!
:crazy:

tell mark shanes the one who is a little kid inside but man outside

the one who was jumping around in the arena when he won

:rofl:

Little kid inside arent we all!:uhoh:

when he won eh. wonder if you know how that feels LJ :) jumpety jumpety jump. yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

little john does, but he needs a proper flipper to help him along the way !!! :)

TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS !!!

ha ha

oi you get some work done.

partner i told u i was testing to see if ur good enough

i cant do all the work meself but ye shane would love to have all the events iv won :proud:

my dad says hes sorted the heavy now but jonno y so many sunday events :sad: i have football!

and ye jonno get back to work! u need lots of paper work for me in april and i remembered that u no im gonna phone u on the 1st april which is fools day but ill ring u after 12 so u cant fool me then!

sunday events are a pain, but couldnt get the venues on the saturday... people playing silly games like badminton, basket ball, and even football... how rude !!! :)

Do they not know who we are?!?!