Resignation from rep position

I have decided to resign from my position as FRA rep for south wales and south west.

Please read http://www.robotforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23http://www.robotforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23 for further details if you are interested

Dave

Ive read thru the thread on robotforum and ( Presidential bit aside ) would suggest that change is only possible by fighting your corner ..and that of the membership you represent... from within the F.R.A. and its existing framework... difficult as it maybe.

I do however understand your disillusionment and Im sad to see you resign.

All the Best

Woody

its in the backroom Dave, not everyone has access there.

why is there a back room lol?

so that some people can have a pop at other people. how sad

We have had a back room on our forum a long time. There we discuss things the general public doesnt need to know, like costs of arena, and other things the DRG need to discuss without prying eyes. It has always worked well for us.

But the British are a breed apart :wink:

True, but dont pass judgement on something when you have no idea of its contents.

Anyway, back to topic.... Dave, I really hope that you will reconsider.

Robotforum The Home Of True Roboteers. So If we are not on this forum are you saying we are not true roboteers.

Well as the sport seems to be on a self destruct course i want nothing to do with, TeamDragon will be doing no more events untill this issue is resolved as I do not want to take sides. Bye for now.

i think its good to have another forum, you see it with all sorts such as car owner clubs etc.... Tony just do what i do and go with the flow, it will only be you who loses out mate. plus we wanna see that new fw of yours in action. u dont need 2 take sides by particapting in 2 forums.

Why is the sport on a self-desruct course?

well 1s already left as tonys gone

only a matter of time for the next

It isnt. Unfortunately some issues do seem to exist between event organisers and between some individual roboteers. My understanding is also that the impartiality and function of the FRA is doubted (or perhaps misunderstood, depending on your perspective or opinion...) by some teams.
Tony, its your choice, but if you withdraw from events the loss will be to the community as a whole and to your team- Im afraid it wont help change anything.
My suggestion- naive though it may be- would be to organise a meeting with representatives of as many teams attending as possible to discuss things openly. If commercial considerations make event organisers unwilling to discuss business matters in that context I would suggest that they organise a meeting mediated by a member of the community accepted as neutral by all parties. Apart from making for a happier community I think this would be in the interests of the organisers themselves.
Our sport will continue despite these squabbles, but it would be better they were resolved- all events will be affected if divisions and cliques become entrenched. I should note that my present response to it all is to simply attend whichever events I want to, irrespective of organiser. Thankfully I know little about the details of any specific disputes, although inevitably various conversations have given me a general idea.

As far as Daves resignation from his FRA post is concerned, I agree with Woodys earlier post.

Shane, if you think the backroom is meant to just make wild accusations or blackening of the FRA, consider this:

When you asked a question on the FRA forum that the FRA did not seem fitting to ask on a PUBLIC forum your post got removed there. Had there been a backroom or similar setup on the FRA forum itself you would not have had that problem.

The whole backroom concept is a good one, but can be used for bad things when you are not carefull. On the other hand, would you rather have Daves message and Andys e-mail plastered over a PUBLIC forum for the world to read?

I can not for the life of me see why a tool that works so well on other forums would not work for the FRA. This implies a serious distrust between the members already making wild accusations as to its contents without even reading it. And its not that they cant read it, all it takes is 1 email.


And Stu, instead of flying of the handle like that to me on MSN, first get your facts straight.

I am a DRG and therefore by default also a FRA safety officer. I saw things that could not be fixed at the event but had to be addressed. I have used the FRA guidelines, filled in a FRA form and presented my findings to the FRA and Jonno, and I have been confirmed I had valid issues.

Just because you enjoyed the fights (as did I) it does not automatically make it a good event by all criterea. there where some things wrong, and I have been assured by Jonno these things will be delt with. That is all I want.

Why did I not send this to Stu privatly? well he blocked me on msn and there is no backroom. But he is accusing me of (REMOVED BANNED WORD) stirring, and I will not have my integrity questioned for doing my job.

(Message edited by kane on October 15, 2007)

I thought this thread was about Dave Lang€™s resignation but turned into a dispute about forums, so I might as well join in!

Personally I think that it is fair play for they€™re to be two forums and a facebook group and probably a myspace one as well! But I have to say, it is really annoying going on both forums to see what is happening in the roboteering world.

I have not joined robot forum yet as I cannot be bothered with more passwords and user names etc. so in turn now miss out on a lot of the stuff going on in the backroom.

I have not joined the facebook thing as most of it is slating my robots or my dad, naturally I think it is discussing, but I accept freedom of speech and ignore most of the rubbish that goes on there.

And as for Tony, I was looking forward to seeing your new feather in action but I understand where you are coming from.

Tom

Somethng called Email Leo - Gotta Love the Internet ay?

(Removed due to in apropriate langauge, Using an asterisk to hide letters is not acceptable. Feel free to reword it if nessasary)

Mr Stu

(Message edited by stu on September 09, 2007)

(Message edited by big_nipper on September 09, 2007)

email can be ignored to easily. If the FRA wants to remove my postings thats their progative but my statement on the matter is made. for me this issue is closed.

Leo, you are treading on fine ground also, If you hate the FRA so much then I suggest you use another forum to slag of the FRA, As stated many times we only edit/remove posts when nessasary (or a compaint has been made) and Ive asked openly for people to provide evidence to the contry so I can investigate and have recieved nothing that does not have a good reson behind it.

Some of these matters are personal and you are just sticking your nose in where it does not belong. As for your other comments on Events and the like, I agree that it needs to be highlighted when things can be improved and you should not need to defend yourself if others give you greef. Personally I think that more forums is better for the sport if used correctly, there is no reason that the FRA forum has not got a backroom and if you feel that it would be better then you can ask the FRA by Email to bring it up at the next meeting.

I do not hate the FRA, nor have I ever stated anything to the contrary. On any forum. I still believe the FRA is a good idea. If anything the only grief I have with it is that it sometimes responds to slow.

And as to my reference to remove my postings is due to the nature of these postings in this thread. I leave that up to your judgement.

Sorry thanks for making that clear, but maybe it is just me as lately most of your posts seem to be aimed at making other people feel that they cannot post contravertial questions on this forum as they will be deleted, it is unfortunate that you think that way and hopefully in the future you will change you mind.

You are however right in that the FRA does respond slow but this is mainly due to the fact that we are all volunteers and give up much of our spare time to this, you just have to be patient sometimes.

I am well aware of that fact so I am not complaining.

If the tone of my messages have gotten somewhat grimm the last weeks it is because I do have a general concern about the turmoil i see brewing and the rift starting to form between roboteers as well as the event organisers. And because of a report I made I now am somehow classed as anti Roaming Robots which is simply not true. I have always done my very best to be as objective as I can be on all issues involved.

It is sad to see how the present situation is turning out between some parties and I understand where you are coming from, I too have issues Im not happy with. Im the same as you, Ive no preferance to any event organiser our team simply chooses what event suit us and go to that one but there are people out there who try and make us seem to support one over the other which is simply not true as well. We do seem to have made this thread go off topic so here is a little back on topic.

Dave, Im sad you feel you need to resign from the FRA and would ask you to re-consider as I know you do a lot to support our community and with your help can change things for the better, at the very least I would like to see you at the next FRA commite meeting where you can rasie your conserns in person and if after the meeting you still feel the same then fair enough.

I hate arguing with people and do not want to be one of the people who instigates the downfall of the FRA so therefore I have e-mailed the FRA management committee and asked to withdraw my resignation from the reps position to show my support to the FRA.

Since you crossposted Ill do the same. :)

I am glad to hear you decided to stay on, if only to show support to the roboteers in your area and the FRA in general. I still feel it is the right choice to make, since it is better to help work on a (even) better FRA from inside the organisation itself then it would be from the sidelines.

Excellent- good for you Dave.