Unusual weapons?

I was looking through the FRAs 2004 safety guidelines and it looked like theyd covered most types, except a few. I was wondering, what safety rating, (the scale of 1-6 used by the FRA) do you think these ones deserve?

Toecutter- Their weapon is basically a small blade on a spring that sweeps across. The biggest threat is probably down in the pits, where it can accidentally be released.

Robochicken and 8345T- Both robots have a hybrid weapon, a flipper, which is connected to an arm at the back that comes down whenever the flipper is fired. Should this arm count as a stationary spike or an axe?

Mace 2 and Tornado- These teams both use a chain flail (spinning toothpick) Granted that Tornados can hack away at polycarb armour, it doesnt seem to be quite as dangerous as a spinning flywheel or disc, and should therefore be listed seperately. What does everyone else think?

Toecutter - All weapons should secured while the robot is out of the arena.

Robochicken and 8645T - These weapons would be classed as axe weapons.. Although hybrid weapons of this form are usually a compromise and are ineffective. 8645T although still competing do not use this setup any more.

Mace 2 and Tornado - The flail is extremely danagerous from a safety aspect as there are a large number of parts that can come detatched at high speed. Remember, the rules are there for safety and such as a disc can break apart, more so can a flail.

I have a question regarding a Full body Thwackbot (FBT) I wish to build.

My robot would have the wheels pointing inward and the whole robot rotates on drive power, not by a seperate weapon motor like a conventional spinner, but the output RPM would be over 500RPM. I have read that if the output is over that it would classify as a spinner, however other robots can spin at a greater speed when they spin on the spot (as mine will), but are permitted. Would mine, or do the rules stop me from using the spin ability as a weapon ?

For anyone thats seen it, its based on my Antweight F.I.N

The entire machine rotates at over 500rpm?

Its a spinner in my book. I dont really see the difference between this and a melty brain bot except that the melty brain FBS is able to move whilst spinning.

Simple solution is to build something that falls on one side or the other of the line.

Its a tricky one but you would be best contacting an event organiser directly as it is ultimately up to them if a machine runs in their arena.

St Hammer will spin at about 160rpm that robot will run at about 16mph.
If a robot would spin at 500rpm i think the terminal speed or the small distance for wheel base would make the robot hard to control.
:)

It would be hard to control, I agree, but it makes for an impressive looking weapon, which is what I am aiming for.

David....

I think its something wed have to see before we could say.

There are robots out there which when they spin maybe could be classed as a spinner... but they dont use it as a tactic and have teeth fitted,

If your robot can spin fast on the spot, but not move while doing it, theres no real point as no one is going to go near you.

I wouldnt bother unless your think its going to win in full combat ?

John

I must say Im a bit disapointed by that response.

In terms of going near me, with 10 robots in the ring, someones gonna hit me eventually.

F.I.Ns tactic is usually to hit them, and whilst they are recovering, get pushing !

Doesnt always work, but it has before.

Anyway, it worth an ask :)

BTW, in terms of the rules, I think, if I got it to spin just under 500 RPM, I would be in the rules:

Quote:
Full body spinning robots with an eccentric mass or €˜twackbots€™, are excepted from this
section unless they spin over 500 revolution per minute [RPM].

well if yr in the rules.... good luck with it .

And ill eat my words when u win the 2009 uk champs :)... probably want to build my own then !

john

Ironside will spin faster than 500rpm - but as Jonno stated - you just sit on the spot.

I tried driving full forward and throwing it into a spin, but the mixer would not reverse one of the motors until the machine came to a full stop....

Dave - tell me your next event and I will bring my spare rams along.

Trev

My next event will be Barnsley

I probably wont be building this but It was just a thought, because F.I.N, by AW classifications, is not a spinner, just wondering if it was by FRA standards, and indeed would it be allowed in Class 3 arenas like Jonnos and RLs

For me winning is not that important (just as well!!!)
Dave make a robot people want to see and thats fun to drive. My trophy cabinet is empty but I have enjoyed loosing! Im looking forward to what ever you turn up with best of luck with the project.

:)

I also have an idea for a weapon.
A pop-up wedge.
I bit like a flipper, but:
We have a wedge, underneath is a flipper system like firestorms, but its hidden underneath.
Attatched to the flipper system is some spikes, which will then come out of the wedge.
Its popular in Robot Arena 2, and was thinking for making it a first in the real world.

If I am reading that right Matt your flipper lifts your machine into the air along with the opponent?

If so then whats the point? You wont be flipping as quickly as you have to lift 26kg instead of 13kg.

If I am wrong could you put a pic on your profile of what you have in mind?

Dave if I was against such a machine in the arena I would just wait until you got bored of spinning on the spot and then attack. Granted you may get some action in a large melee but I always think an offensive weapon is better than one which relies on the opponent doing something. Best of luck.

Have done so.

Ok different idea from what I was thinking :) Forget my earlier comments.

Interesting idea. Only one way to find out!

FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, i watch to much Harry Hills TV Burp!
I might be efective as a flipper/axe hybrid.
Again, very popular in the RA2 world, so might aswell try it out in the real.

Matt, about the spike firing out the wedge, U talking about the way Spawn Of Scutter used its way of attacking?

Hmm, could say that.
More like not on the ram, more on the spike strip.