Frequencies / ant weights

Attached is a list of frequencies which robots have used in our past events. ( see link below )

To aid the future of all weights, the aim is to make each others lives easier, by using specific frequencies.

If robots can arrive with frequencies as per this sheet, then it will minimise clashes.

Certain frequencies such as 665, 685, and 875, are very common, and it is advised that if you are on this frequency then you either ensure you have spare sets, or move to another frequency.

The four frequencies highlighted in grey, are currently free.
My proposal is that these 2 or 3 frequencies are allocated to Ant Weights on a permanent basis.
Roaming robots intend to buy at least one set of each of the set frequencies, and will issue them to the ant weight roboteers at the start of each event for their use, which should allow them to run with their own TX control, throughout an event without problems with clashing with other weights, and then just returned back to TX control at the end of the event.
Of course they will still be able to book out other frequencies, just that these will be their own.

Please look at the table, and any further information you can supply, ie spare crystals you may have, / if your robot is not on the list then please email them to:- frequencies@roamingrobots.co.uk


So Deadline 1st April for people to give me details of their frequencies. From that there will be a minimum of 2 permanent frequencies allocated to Ant Weights for all Roaming Robots Events.

See the frequency table - http://www.ukinnovations.co.uk/freqtable.htmwww.ukinnovations.co.uk/freqtable.htm

If it works, then it may be something which the FRA might be interested in, we shall see, no harm in trying.

Thanks

Jonno
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Thanks jonno thats a good idea. Could I surgest that the frequencies for ants be:
40.665
40.675
40.685
40.695

These seem to be the most common frequencies used by anyweights

Regards
Ian

They also seem to be the most common for all the other weights as well. Remember there are more than just ants and alot of others will have to change just to fit those in.

dont mean to be a pain in the arse Jonno
but Gianto is a feather I also run Tanto on 765

ok, well im going to update all the information as it comes, and then sit down, and see what would be the best option.

Jonno

I believe that part of this deciscion making process should take into account the ease of changing frequency.

Whats easier to change the crystal on usually - a heavyweight or an antweight ?

Ed
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definatly on a heavyweight.

seeing as we currently have 2 ants, 2 feathers and a heavy, frequencies can be abit of a pain. In answer to Ed, our robots, in order of ease of change;

Hades -ant
G3 - feather
Chroma - ant
Alpha - feather
Merlin - Heavy

It shouldnt be based on just ease of change, but surley the type of event, i.e. at most RR shows, heavys should have frequency priority (as thats what people have come to see), we dont want heavys waiting to go in the arena and not being able to get there Tx out because an ant is playing.

Jonno, on our list we have two robots on the same frequency, although this is possible it would cause alot of problems. The frequencies i think we have are;

665
675
685
725
855

I think the best option would be to get all robot frequencies a couple of weeks before each event, and assign people there frequencies, like at stus.

Ian, those are common frequencies for most weights, as its usually one of those you get with your RC. Having all the ant frequencies next to each other may not be a good idea, ants are the most effected by interferance (due to the ariels being wrapped up in a ball and stuffed inside the robot). So maybe if the frequencies were spread out.

I agree with Alan, most people have at least one set of spare Xtals so if at least a week before the event Jonno had a list of frequencies then he could advise people of clashes and they could change before the event. This would stop clashes and save time at the event waiting for people to change

I know their the most common alan but alot of people in antweights start in ants as they are relitively cheep when compaired to heavys and feathers (please ont start the debate over whether an ant or a feather is cheeper again)

Thats why i am surgesting using the low frequencies for ants. Actually for me if this was brought in it would be bad (i dont have 665 or 675 or 685 or 695!).

Its just my surgestion. Also Its not always true to say its easyer to change the crystals on an ant. In some cases its actually impossible without a needle nosed pliers and a soldering iron!

Regards
Ian

In some cases its actually impossible without a needle nosed pliers and a soldering iron! You would be banned from Robot Wars then.

Jonno -
KR2 - 805
Pussycat - 965

Mr Stu

Not really stu seeing as he runs on 27 and not a single other robot has ever had the same frequency as him.

Regards
Ian

The Dutch are not exactly thrilled by the concept of permanent to antweights allocated frequencies. I have mentioned this discussion on our forum and the comments were rather negative.

I too do not really see the advantages. The most recent possibility (subscribing with your possible frequencies included sent before event to organiser who can then allocate frequencies to robots) seems better to me.

I dont like the idea either. Not many attend events, and due to their size, when they do its very hard for the audience to see them and to fit them into the show. I have no problem with ants at events (as we fight them aswell) but I dont think they should be able to hold up frequencies etc from heavys/feathers.

I know people will have different views on the subject, antweight people will be bias towards decisions that favour them and the same applies for heavyweight roboteers. Seeing we fight Heavys, Feathers and Ants (and soon to be middles), then we have more of an unbias view and it may be an idea of seeing what roboteers with different weights think.

Most of the time 3 or 4 allocated frequencies wont be enough, so we are still going to end up with the same problem.

At last I have found the discussion. The point I want to make is that if some frequencies allocated to a particular group such as ANTs they need to be adjacent frequencies otherwise we still wont be able to use them if either of the channels 10khz away are in use by another group as roaming robots wont allow it. Also if crystals are provided you will need to take into account both hitec and futaba receivers use different IF frequencies and so need different rx crystals.

I am not planning on restricting antweights to the four frequencies, but making sure that they have 4 frequencies which will always be available to use.
In addition to any which are available when required.

The only time we normally ban the use of adjacent frequencies is while we are in the process of tech checking robots in the pits as this is the most dangerous part of an event.
Once robots are inside arenas, then frequencies return to normal, unless there are interference problems occurring.

Hope this clarifies things.

The frequencies will be posted in the next few days once I have been through the latest frequency information which has been submitted to me.

Remember, the main reason for this, is not to hinder the ants, but to try and find a way of getting them running all day at our shows as we want to make a big feature of them throughout our winter tour, with very large screens and projectors on the arena throughout the day, should be a great opportunity for you.



Jonno
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That sounds very positive but I was definitely told several times at the feather weight smash that I couldnt have my frequency as an adjacent one was in use in either the present or next feather weight battle. If we can use adjacent channels that should really help solve most of the problems. If frequencies are made available I will certainly make the effort to get some new crystals. Sorry to keep harping on about this but as this seemed to be the only problem area in an otherwise very smooth operation I believe its worth getting it sorted.

Frequency list has been updated. http://www.ukinnovations.co.uk/freqtable.htmhttp://www.ukinnovations.co.uk/freqtable.htm


Two frequencies will now be allocated for permanent use for ANTWEIGHTS ONLY where we are involved in the event, taking immediate effect, with the first trial at Debenem.

They are 40.765 and 40.805.

They will be available throughout the event for antweights only, after all tech checks have been completed.

Other frequencies may be used, however preference may be given to other weight classes first.

We will try this and see if it works, and if anyone has any suggestions after it has been used, then email me direct of speak to me at the event.


Jonno
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is it possible to move G3 to 665? as its currently using the same frequency as Merlin, which could cause problems at events, swapping over the xtals between robots and also messing TX control around.

Done :)

me again :) noticed that hades is on 865, we dont have 865! we have;

665-g3
675-merlin
685-free
725-chroma
855-alpha

so they only other free one we have is 685, which theres already lots of people on. Ill see about getting another set of xtals.

Jonno

I know I havent been to any events run by rr but can i put down my robots on teh chart.
Flipper: 40.925 and its a featherweight.
Lunch: 40.695 and its also a feather. (it will be lunch for flipper to eat)

Thanks
Regards
Ian

Yeah, please add mine, as i intend to go to a RR event sometime soon,

Lower 715 (ant)

I have others but theyre more popular 665 & so on.

Updated.

Jonno