The limit for weight in the categories in this forum is 100kg. In the new tv series it is 110kg. Why the discrepancy and is it going to be matched?
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The limit for weight in the categories in this forum is 100kg. In the new tv series it is 110kg. Why the discrepancy and is it going to be matched?
Why the discripancy. Just to be "annoying" I guess. Maybe hoping that the heavier machines are more spectacular.
For the curret crop of flippers it doesn't make any difference.
And if it is up to me, I would like to lower the weight of heavies to the original 80 kg.
Don't the people who wrote the RW tv rules also have something to do with the live shows?
One of the groups working on the "new" TV show is one of the bigger EO's, specialised in the 13.6kg featherweight class.
The BBC and Mentorn Scotland are 2 other groups participating.
I believe it will be discussed post robot wars production whether the limit for all heavies will increase or stay the same. Too early to speculate either way.
110kg is to heavy, I wouldn't bother building that heavy. Having to lift the robot on my own at home 100kg is too much anyway
the weight limit went up for a few reasons, the main 2 being that very few machines are built to 100kg, and utilise the extra 2% allowance incase of scale error as extra weight limit. Therefore for robot wars they would all be over weight if we enforced the 100kg rule. Another reason is that the majority of live event robots applied for RW, and most of them have been designed around the same parts, shape, style as each other and for a TV show you need character and style as well as the functionality. This extra weight allowed people to make adjustments and improvements to their machine without having to start again with a very short time to do it in.
The timeframe is not the fault of the roboteers. And what adjustments can be made in the short timeframe that make the machines more interesting?
8 kg of fur and flamables or a boatload LED's is a lot to make a show.
As I was told, it wasn't ment to slab on a few kg of high end armor plate.
I feel it was an attempt to make the "Dedicated TV machines" unusable for the Live Events.
And give the old machines a disadvantage to the newer, specificaly for this TV show enginered machines.
10% more weight is a HUGE amount.
On the other hand, I know I have more than a touch of paranoïa.
FYI we'll be running 110kg at Robots Live events from now on
Not so sure I like that idea. It made sense for the TV show to give the current machines a makeover but I'd prefer to have the heavies stay the same weight and back to 100kg next year on RW. With Lipo/Life and more optimized drives we already have a huge increase in power to weight ratio in the last couple of years. Adding 10% for free to that I feel is not helping anyone.
If Robots Live changes to the BBC/Mentorn 110kg, the FRA insurance doesn't cover the Robots Live events.
So the 110kg robots can only drive at robots live events ? Or Jonno will have to increase aswell
Despite not owning a HW, I don't think the Live events should up the weight limit to 110Kg. Keep it at 100Kg.
The Mods done to the regular 100kg bots to make them 110kg that I have seen haven't been to major; a few extra parts welded on, slightly bigger tanks, more batteries etc. I am assuming that teams kept the original parts so they could easily swap the parts out again to bring them in line.
Weight limits have been going up incrementally in quite a few weight classes (BW, FW, HW) for various reasons and it needs to stop IMO. They are dangerously powerful now without giving teams even more weight to play with.
Your completely wrong in your thoughts there Mario. We dice coded on the weight increase for the reasons I gave above. Most of the machines that turn up to
Live events wouldn't have been able to remove 2-4kg off their machines to make it useable to an enforced 100kg limit, and the show certainly wouldn't have had any of the interesting adaptations we have seen from many of the top machines. It HAS made a big difference to the quality of the show and not there to stop people attending live events. Alan was part of that decision making with us and he's certainly not wanting to stop robots attending his events. If a weight limit is correctly enforced, there's a maximum of 8kg allowed.
I designed from scratch for the tv show aiming to come in at under 110kg and I ended up at 108kg. The robot came apart for transport into three manageable sections. To reduce it to 100kg would not fit in with my development plans. A lot of robots seem to come with their own scissor lift trolleys. Even 100kg is way above manual handling limits. I agree in principle that there shouldn't be continuous creep so who is going to call time on weight increases?
In what toughts am I wrong?
Timeframe, nothing the roboteers could change.
The feeling it was a way to make the dedicated TV machines unsuited for the Live events.
Nothing more than that, a feeling. Not a truth. Not an accusation or anything else.
The adjustments made the excisting machines, we'll see that on TV if it made a big difference.
The increased weight on the dedicated TV machines, we'll see that to on TV if it was worth it.
But I'm still not happy about yet another weight increase. Oh well, I could start building middleweights.
Has there been any more clarification on the 'you can't fight in other events' rule?
yes
Is this a change in topic?
yes
Welcome to the FRA forum Robin. Nothing ever stays on topic here for long, it's just the way it is.
If anything, spending time with a heavyweight these past few weeks has given me a renewed appreciation of the lighter weight classes.
No kidding. Bullfrog comes in at 96kg with a full bottle and that was plenty heavy for me.
Did the contract over live events/robotwars get resolved
That was kinda what I was asking too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ady
It was resolved.
But by 'resolved', what do we mean? Can competitors run in other events? And if so, what does that part of the contract actually mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by typhoon_driver
It was resolved to the satisfaction of the roboteers taking part.
I agree with Mario the time scale for the none selected team was not fair. As there was a lot of team told about the show before Christmas and so have had a lot long to get machines ready which also told if you robot doesn't have a secondary weapon you and pretty much certain not to get select. I think that this act for the organisers was absolutely disgusting to the teams that have kept this sport alive over the last 13 years. I thought we all had respect for our fellow roboteers. I must be mistaken.
The time limit for everyone wasn't fair. But it's what we were given. Want to appear on the show? Get your arse in gear.
There was the grand sum of around 2 weeks advanced notice over xmas. With postage times the way they are over xmas essentially useless for receiving parts.
Thankfully since the first one is half way through filming I suspect there would be more notice with a second series.
Out of the 3 heavies I have they all weigh under 100Kg. this is OK I have fought many machines that weighed between 90Kg and over 110Kg in the live events as many people put Hardox panels on for shows and replace these with aluminium or similar for the comps.
Only in the championships have I seen the weight limit enforced, I don't care what people do with weight at the moment I'm happy to just run my robots at 100Kg and let the rest make up their mind I do remember one team's robot being weighed at over 130Kg didn't bother me.
I'm sure there is no conspiracy or plan to sabotage anything, build to 100Kg as I get older I can tell you gaining weight is easy loosing not so easy!:uhoh:
Teams were told the day the BBC finally made the decision to sign off. It wasn't Mentorns/Robo Challenges or anyone else's fault it was delayed. Imagine how we and the set builders felt having the decision left so late... We are all in this together to help the sport by putting on the best TV show possible. BBC also had to sign off every team that entered which is why that decision was made so late.
I am sure teams can appreciate this.
The weight limit is purely for the reasons Grant gave. Most teams are currently overweight and yet BBC needed modifications in a very short amount of time to make them as exciting as possible. It wouldn't have been possible with an enforced 100kg rule. Again I hope teams understand this.
Out of interest, for a possible series 2 would the 110kg weight limit carry over, or would it be likely to go back to 100?
If most teams are overweight, it's up to the teams to make sure their machines comply to the rules, and to the EO's that the rules are enforced.
I tought that a sleightly overweight machine was allowed to fight, but not getting any points or simular in the stats of the EO's competition, and that the weight should be rectified as soon as possible.
I'm not sure where the idea about a secondary weapon has come from, however this has never been part of the criteria.
All teams knew about the show at the same time, which didn't give teams long to prepare, however it's better that way than not have a show at all.
I understand that a lot of teams are upset they didn't get in, and that because they have been in the sport for 10-15 years or more that they are entitled to a space on the show. That's not how any competition works, and there just aren't enough spaces for that. Going by the current live event line up, there isn't enough variation or unique machines to choose only those. The % of wedge shaped flippers to other weapons types on the live circuit is far too high for a TV show. I hope people understand this and start to think outside the box to make interesting and exciting machines for both the TV and Live events alike. Just being in the sport for a long time doesn't make public want to watch a show show and this series really needs to kick off with a bang for the success of the future of the show.
A lot of teams have made extroadinary efforts to create some excellent improvements to their machines and there is a great mix in this new series. I hope that people can take this on board and understand why this is so important to get right.