17th FRA meeting report

Prcis€™s of proceedings of the 17th meeting of the FRA governing body

These are bullet points only. Certain items have been omitted to protect individuals identities or when talks with other parties are not complete.

Matters ar

1. Presentation of new 2.4 ghz radio rules to concur with the current use of this equipment.


2. AGM minutes approved with slight rewrite to make accurate

How ever to reflect the majority of members present to change the featherweight weight from 12KG to 13.6 KG including any consumables (gas) was voted on and endorsed.

From the 1st January 2008 13.6KG including consumables can be used in Europe and replaces the 12KG limit.

3. Proposal to bring the heavyweight weight to 100KG including consumables(gas)

The Governing body concluded that the proposal had merit as it would tie in with the new featherweight ruling and give a world common standard for weights.

How ever it was decided to go to the membership for consultation first either by written submission via the members regional chairperson( FRA forum contact page) or info@fightingrobots.co.uk

Consultation period to end 31/12/2007

It is believed that this would affect 5/6 machines only

Should the consultation be positive the governing body does not envisage the change in weight until 01/01/2009 for this weight class.

4. FRA membership fees for 2008 to remain the same as 2007 at £10 per team up to 31/3/2008 and there after for previous and existing members £20 per team.
Overseas and new members subscription remains at £10 for application at any time of the year.

An appeal for donations for improving the FRA champions trophies would be made when the year end and subscription reminder is sent out.

5. Member proposed rule changes.

A. To change electrical voltage from 36 volt RMS to 48 Volt RMS was deferred until the new standards for low electrical voltages come out (Approx Jan 2008)

B. To allow pressurized suction of hydraulic systems has been deferred for further technical appraisal with the proposer.

C. Rewrite of pneumatic rules to clear up confusion between pressure regulators and pressure reliefs and where they are to be used.

D. Rewrite of rule 6.3.2 link rule. For certain machines there will be a requirement for a second link. ( this affects very few machines )

E. Arena guideline document name to change to €œArena minimum regulations and guidelines€

This is to reflect the fact there are now dimensions written into the document.

6.A123 trial progress report.

Balancing for heavyweight style packs is still a potential problem.(10 cells)

Three featherweight teams have applied to join the A123 trial it was concluded that the trials for featherweights should not be held.

From the 01/01/2008 A123 style cells for featherweights are approved for use, with the following ctiteria.

Maximum of seven cell packs with proprietary chargers and balancers.

A rule rewrite to reflect this change will be carried out at a later date.

7. The governing body is to issue papers for event organisers to tender for the Fighting Robot featherweight and heavyweight championships for 2008 to reflect that there are more event organisers operating this year.

8. It was agreed that formal robot tech training would be held at the FRA headquarters with a view to rewrite the Tech check sheets to reflect modern practises and recent rule changes.

9. It is proposed that certain gas types be removed from the list of gases.

Argon, Nitrogen and other inert gases would be removed from the rules.

It is also proposed that HPA (high pressure air) be removed from the list subject to consultation with any interested member teams. If you have an interest in HPA robots please mail info@fightingrobots.co.ukThere are currently no known machines using HPA in Europe.

FRA member AGM minutes will be posted in the minutes section soon

Full 17th meeting minutes will not be posted until written up and approved/ amended by the delegates.

(Message edited by scorpion on October 15, 2007)

Thanks for a quick and comprehensive report. Im starting work on a 13.6 kg feather and look forward to resolution of the various technical points (especially 48V) in due course.

I second Johns comments. Thank you for the speedy report.

A. To change electrical voltage from 36 volt RMS to 48 Volt RMS was deferred until the new standards for low electrical voltages come out (Approx Jan 2008)

Deferred. I.E. not yet in place. The rule change has not gone through yet, but is more than likely going to move upto 42volts to comply with new british standards.

For more information, contact Mark Lumb.

Dave
http://www.teamturbine.comwww.teamturbine.com
p.s. Hi again!

Please write the final minutes as clear as possible. Not everyone on this side of the water understands the finer points of the English language. Make clear what is decided, rejected or open for discusion. There are to many should bes in there now.

Thank you for your openness.

Simon

I am realying some good points came up at the DRG forum:

Why are A123s limited to 6 cells per pack if 8 cell and even 14 cell balancers are available?

For example: http://unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5606http://unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBI...idProduct=5606

It makes more sense to make 7 cell packs because 7 cell A123 = 6 cell Lipo, therefore no need to change voltage cut offs etc on speed controllers.

I was just curious as to why the use of Nitrogen, Argon, etc, has been stopped ? I was hoping to use Nitrogen in a future project. Same goes for HPA, although I am/was the only person using it.

Principle concern is the use of 200bar gas cylinders at events for decanting and the transportation of these cylinders to/ from events.
No current event organisers will supply these gases at events either.

As a former Nitrogen user (Obsidian) I have no objection against dropping Nitrogen as an allowed gas. But as one member of DRG remarked, it might be a better idea not to eliminate nitrogen or HPA, because in the future it might be possible that the venting of CO2 might collide with enviromental regulations.

This is not the case yet, but I can see this becoming a point for the future.