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PJ, I had exactly the same problem that Saturday. Security guards wouldn't raise the barrier, right? I ended up dragging everything from the front car park at 8:15. That building is a nightmare to pull things around. :angry:
When would you consider early for that front door, James?
I'll get onto them about getting round to the loading bay's. I know they do close them early (8/half8 maybe?) I'll keep you updated.
I try and get there before 8 so I can get straight in as soon as the door opens. Bare in mind though on Sunday everyone gets passes because it take down day so it gets very busy.
i have not got the email yet
what time can we get to the NEC and when will we know fight times for each bout?
sorry to ask but just trying to figure it all out
bloody early most likely
no worries, recived it now
my plan is to leave here at 7am since im about 45 miles away
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My plan is to leave around 5am as I live over 150miles away :uhoh:
Sorry for the stupid question but I seem to remember reading a scoring system which said you got like 1 point if you got pitted, 0 points if you didn't enter the arena etc. but I can't find it anywhere! Did I just make it up in my head or does anyone have a link to it?
Also how many robots get through to the Sunday, again I am sure I read it I just can't find where!
The scoring format is as follows:
4 points for a complete KO of your opponents
3 points for a win (by judges' decision)
2 points for 2nd place
1 point for last place/entering the arena
0 points for being unable to enter the arena
The top ten robots with the highest scores go through to the knockout stages on the Sunday.
How long is the imobilisation count out? I can't remember.... 30s?
Yeah, if you go in the pit or stop moving, you've got 30 seconds to either show movement or get out of the pit.
One battle rule I could do with clarification on: in previous years, if a robot has lost one side of its drive and can only drive in circles, the opponent has been able to leave it alone and the semi-immobile robot has been counted out after 30 seconds. But at the 2011 champs, there were a few fights where a robot only had one side of drive for longer than 30 seconds yet could still go on to win the fight if it had somehow caused more damage (or the other robot drove down the pit etc). For example, Drumroll spent the entire three minutes of one fight with only one side of drive, yet came out with two points for 2nd place because Asgard got stuck on the arena wall for the last minute of the battle and couldn't move.
Is that something that has changed in the battle/judging rules that I missed, or was it something implemented at GSL last year to try and make some battles last a little longer? And what will the ruling be this year?
As this is a grey area it is a place where judges must interpret rules.
The rules state for a knockout -
Knockout
Any robot that remains stationary for more than 30 seconds without being in contact with another robot will be deemed to have been knocked out. This rule will also apply to any robot that becomes trapped by any part of the arena or arena hazards, including the pit. Clusterbots, those that have two or more independent fighting segments, if one segment becomes immobile and or is completely damaged the complete machine will be deemed knocked out. Robots in the pit at the end of the fight shall be deemed knocked out.
Regretfully as each situation is unique, including when is a robot classed in the pit. The rules also dont mention having one side of your drive disabled. I imagine this is because some robots when they lose one side are stuck on the spot therefore immobile, however robots like Venom can drive around the arena with just one side (fwds goes fwd and rev turns) this certainly isnt immobile as Venom can chase other robots, albeit with more difficulty. I think the Judges simply have to be consistent throughout the competition. If you can still take the fight to your opponent then your still in, also if your opponent is still taking the fight to you maybe you should still be in (if your in the battle to be attacked then your inthe battle) This is just my opinion.
It may be worth having the judges go through a few scenarios during the roboteers briefing at the start of the day?
I think the decisions have been consistent from battle to battle, it's just that there seems to have been a change in what counts as being mobile/immobile from previous events. If the judges are able to state at the beginning of the event whether being reduced to one side of drive counts as immobile or not, it would be helpful. A few scenarios could also be useful, although I appreciate that there isn't a huge amount of time in the mornings to have detailed discussions on the specifics of judging.
Just as long as we know, then it should all be good :)
I wouldn't want to be mucking around in a fight, thinking that I'll be getting counted out because I've only got drive on one side, if it turns out that I could still win the fight through getting a decisive hit on the opponent.
But it is indeed a grey area, and I don't envy the judges position in some fights with difficult calls (especially regarding the pit!). I suppose if you're still moving on one wheel, you're still a threat to the opposition, and so long as you're a threat, there's still a battle to be won....
The competition will be judged to FRA competition regulations. These are available from our rules and safety page.
To clarify, immobile indicates the robot is not moving. Loss of drive on one side of the robot typically does not stop the robot from moving but does show damage and will count against you. However this can be a grey area, every robot is different and some will be able make their way around the arena with loss of drive, others might just be able to turn on the spot.
To make our lives easier please cause as much damage as possible and put your opponent down swiftly.
Haha, Brilliant.Quote:
To make our lives easier please cause as much damage as possible and put your opponent down swiftly.
I know there was much controversy about this last year and was hoping it wouldn't become the elephant in the room this year. But it does need to be said and I'm glad you brought it up Jamie.
Boner vs Beauty 4 last year a prime example.
Boner dominated that match, but lost drive on one side. Despite this it caused decent damage, stopped Beauty's flipper from working, was clearly in control, even got hits with half drive, but lost on a immobility decision.
My interpretation of this would be that, losing one side of drive would be very detrimental to your Style and Control points, but in terms of Boner's Damage and Aggression, and those in comparison to what Beauty would have scored should have give Boner the match.
But that's just my interpretation, and I appreciate the judges have a tough job and that their decision is final.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aQqJfB-Rxo
Yes and indeed this was a hard call, but it was called on the basis that Beauty 4 continued to attack and show good aggresion and boner was simply unable to continue the fight and was pretty much stuck on the spot. Had the breakdown happened nearer the end of the match the call would have likely gone the other way.
The bottom line with these things is the judges decision is final and they don't have favourites unlike the TV series!
Last year Seraph didn't loose any qualifying fights, If memory serves me correctly it won all but one fight. still this was not enough for it to continue in the comp. Sometimes the system works against you!
In the Annihilator it came second, after a decision that in my opinion should have gone Seraphs way.
My point is:-
Hard decisions against you is something you just have to go with.
As for the rule on one side immobilized how about,
If after 30 seconds the robot has not contacted the other robot, it is counted out :shock:
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Kane you are good :mrgreen:
If we are qualifying on the friday when will we find out if we have made it through? I know I am being very optimistic here given it's my first event but as my dad is saying plan for the worst I thought I would ask.
(Note he means worst as he cant watch the F1 live :roll: )
You'll find out for definite after the Saturday qualifiersQuote:
Originally Posted by Eventorizon
But you can get a good idea before that. Generally, ten and above you will get through, seven and below you most probably will not. I'd say around eight and nine is the grey area, going on last years scores.
If you've not won 2 qualifiers by yourself - you're not through.
Sounds harsh but that's generally what happens. Harder than it sounds.
Does only 1 bot go through in the qualifiers or 2?
all 3 beauty's go through LOL :rofl:
lol ok John
in our dreams
You do know the qualifiers are a league system right?Quote:
Originally Posted by mattsdragons
10 highest scoring bots from the league go through.
You could win 1 of your qualifiers & come second in the other 2 and still not progress.
Qualifying round - impossible to lose but improbable to win.
So to have the best chance you would need to win all 3 fights utterly, 6 KO's (2 in each fight) But we all know that anything can happen :wink: All is fair in love and robochallenge! (I think that is the saying anyway)
2011:
Drumroll v NST - didn't win = 2 points
Drumroll v Cyberon v Stagefright - lost = 1 point
Drumroll v Heatwave v Asgard - 2nd = 2 points
Total: 5 points
2012:
Carcinus v Satanix v Beauty 3
Carcinus v Chuck
Carcinus v 4 4 Toon
If Carcinus loses to all its opponents, it'll still finish on the same number of points for doing sweet FA as Drumroll did last year. I love the occasional craziness of the league :)
That aside, I think it's one of the best qualifying setups for a championship event. Even if you fail to progress, you still get a minimum of three battles and umpteen whiteboards, which makes the trip much more worthwhile.
jamie is that your machine then carcinus?
Is that a drum roll clone ?
How come the other fights arent 3 ways ?
havent really paid much attention to the draw !
John
That would be the best case scenario, yeah. In all the previous years, there have usually been two or three robots going into the knockout stages with 12 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eventorizon
But if you don't get three full knockouts, it's not the end of the world.
At the 2010 championships, there were five robots tied on 8 points and only three spaces left in the top-ten. When this happens, the five robots go into a mele and the last three bots standing take the last three top-ten places. So if you have one KO fight, one judges' win and a loss, there's still a possibility of progression.
EDIT: Jonno, yeah Carcinus is mine. It's the crab-like robot with the claws, dunno if you've seen it about before. It's only got one opponent in two of its fights because the sign-ups filled up extremely quickly and there were more robots than planned that signed up before James and Grant could close it. So one fight in each Friday qualifier was always only going to have two robots in it. Luck of the draw I guess that Carcinus got pulled out the hat for two of those battles.
there are a couple of fights with just 2 robots due to the amount of bots.
beauty2 holds the most number of wins but also in 2010 after being double uk champ came dead last with only 1 point killed beyound repair after 10 seconds as well, it will be back ;)
I'm not gonna lie, I think 90% of the roboteering population drew some sort of sadistic pleasure from that moment :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by beast
90% lol more like 99.9%
but if the link stayed in it would have been differnt!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTBDElJUd74
Jamie, no spinner ? Any pics ?
How was Beauty 2 stuck on the wall? Could you not fire the flipper or as it was held open by the wall so you could you not fire it?
You don't happen to have any pictures of the damage?
the link was out when we flippedbut the unwriten rule of leave a bot alone after 30 seconds was extended to 60 seconds
no pics just ripped 2 holes in the moters and broke all the ti moter mounts.
about £100 worth of damage
remember dont enter if you are not perpared to come out with NO ROBOT
Drumroll II's entered too, it's competing on the Saturday though.Quote:
Originally Posted by roamingrobots
Carcinus currently looks like this:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...c2_build23.jpg
It was meant to have three wheel omni-style drive but it hasn't worked out as planned so I'll be adjusting a few bits so that it's just conventional two-wheel drive. The claws are also just fixed in place, no mechanism to operate them. Might try and fabricate one during my time off but it could be a bit of a rushed effort.
Can anyone tell me what these robots are?
Lambda
Metal Beak
Tormentia
Laser 2
Omen
Cobalt
Also if someone gets knocked out on the friday can they drive another robot on the saturday ?
Cheers
John