Something to think about.

I didnt find your post misleading, just the general atmosphere of the thread makes it feel that way!
Just wondering, it is said that if roboteers have any questions or points to be put across then they should contact their reps to bring it up in meetings, but what about weight class rep voting etc? i know this must go on in the commitee otherwise there would not be any, but can the general roboteers vote as they are the ones it counts for. Or do they have to speak to thier local reps to mention who they would like and why? Also if there is someone elected for a weight class rep that us general roboteers do not agree with, or do not think that they are the best outthere for the job can we vote for someone else to take over?
Sorry about al the questions but i hear small things and cant work out how its done, it all seems to be kept quiet from the public when i thinks its us that should have the main decision.

Thanks
Grant

Which events are classed as falling under the FRA? To be honest the FRA has yet to sucessfully promote an event in its own right as far as I know.

Tim not to get on your case but if you look on the fra home page under the about us page and FAQ you will find this quote:

Q. Are the FRA building an arena?
A. No, the FRA is not an event organiser. It does however encourage organisers to work together and share resources.

I believe this is why the fra does not hold events.

Tim, who do you think setup this forum and keep it running.

Self Apointed Govening body: Think you will find elections every year for all places in the FRA.

Block Voting: how do you think you are represented in this countrys government, by 1 vote from your elected MP.

Tim not to get on your case but if you look on the fra home page under the about us page and FAQ you will find this quote:

Q. Are the FRA building an arena?
A. No, the FRA is not an event organiser. It does however encourage organisers to work together and share resources.

I believe this is why the fra does not hold events.

My question related to what Daniel refered to as events that fall under the FRA when stating that non-members couldnt enter these. We all know the FRA does not hold/run events, this left me wondering what are classed as an events that fall under the FRA

Does this include RR and BTP events or is it simply the case that event organisers can choose to run their events under the rules of the FRAwithout requiring participants to be members of the FRA?

Regards

Tim Jones

Tim, who do you think setup this forum and keep it running.

Maybe not the best thing to say to someone who is no great fan of online forums a and finds email lists and newsgroups a far more user friendly means of debate ;)

Self Apointed Govening body: Think you will find elections every year for all places in the FRA.

A move to be welcomed and perhaps any major changes should be delayed until after any such election has taken place?

Block Voting: how do you think you are represented in this countrys government, by 1 vote from your elected MP.

Now thats a risky comparision to draw the debate could go on forever and the potential for thread drift is astronomical ;)

Government has an excellent minutes system in the form of Hansard. I can find out exactly what my MP did or didnt say in any debate that I am interested in over a cup of coffee less than 24 hours after the event!

By and large it manages a huge budget to the massive benefit of us all.

A wise MP also holds regular constituency surgeries.

But then again governmant also has the massive downside of the party whip shackling any potential for real free apolitical representation ;(


I think Ill go now, otherwise we could be here all night ;)

whispers and ducks out of the way quietly 2 for me too.

Ian

I held a social on Saturday 5th Feb and made a point of raising this subject to gauge opinions and was surprised that the overall view was for number 2.

Being a newcomer to feathers (it isnt finished yet) I was going to vote for the weight increase, but I must vote with the views of the people I represent.

Trev (East Mids Rep)

Personally Im definately OK with 2 having spent hours drilling lightening holes in microCHIP recently, every gram being fought for. And I can afford decent material/components. However my pupils in school who wanted to get involved in the sport say the prefer a bigger limit is better. They could only afford about £100 so...
steel (not Ti),
£3 wiper motors from the scrappy (not astrofights or even £25 gold motors),
recycled steel chair legs for the frame (not ali),
and my offcuts of 6mm poly
... is the order of the day. Its hard to make a competitive feather with that stuff so theyve given up. Its slowly getting a hard sport to get into now, following the path of the heavies.

I almost resisted the urge to post but failed horribly.... so....

Tim, firstly let me state that I am NOT on the board of the FRA so anything I say is MY OPINION just in case someone takes anything I say or have said and quotes me again (I.E. You).

If your questions are so pressing (which they obviously seem to be, unless of course you are trying to stir up trouble) why dont you address your concerns to someone who is able to answer you with some authority. Maybe you could take a look at http://www.fightingrobots.co.uk/contact.htmhttp://www.fightingrobots.co.uk/contact.htm for some guidance?

Re: Forums
You said Maybe not the best thing to say to someone who is no great fan of online forums a and finds email lists and newsgroups a far more user friendly means of debate ;). Is this meant to be sarcasm because I dont understand? If you hate forums so much and are such a great fan of e-mail why dont you e-mail (again found at http://www.fightingrobots.co.uk/contact.htmhttp://www.fightingrobots.co.uk/contact.htm) the FRA President or Chairman with your opinions/views?

And with those reflexions, what about the 13.6 kg.If you give me an additional 1.6 kg, I can try to fit a full ali 100*100 FP ram in a feather(about 6 kg for a ram, valve and 2 12 oz bottles). It will only have 5 or 6 actions, but with that amount of power feathers will need parachutes.
Of going all out, and copy Koss idea with an hydraulic weapon.

On the other side, currently working on very cheap drives, a little slow, but absolutely not heavy. A steel chassis is still competitive, its like always, what you want to achive. Ali checkerplate is still not the worst material, and the cheap HDPE is tough enough to play with the big ones.

Dont moan people cant build a good feather in 12 kg. That 1.6 kg extra will only make the creative people build more insane machines. So the difference will stay thesame.