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No, it is an offering to the 2 vapurbot gods, Leosus and Kodus
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what did Kody do this time?:P
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No, it is an offering to the 2 vapurbot gods, Leosus and Kodus
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what did Kody do this time?:P
How heavy is Intriguers Axe
it isnt in the stats Ben, so we cant tell
but honoustly, its not like Intriguer is the ultimate axebot we should all try to imitate (sorry Kody :wink:), you yourself made a fairly nice axebot in Robo-Hedgehog
and I still miss the point why your 2 vapourGods (hey, that rhymes with vapourbots) would be Leo (well, that one I understand :P) and Kody :proud:
Well I miss the point of any deity, so I am afraid I cant help you out on that one.
(Message edited by leorcc on August 08, 2008)
Im not imitating Intriguer
Although it is pretty cool
I dont think Martijn meant that you would copy it Ben.
what I meant Ben is that you shouldnt value the stats of Intrigue too much, its just one out of many axebots (though a pretty good one)
lol, Intrigue was the shock of my vapourbot crew, it was never expected to be THAT good, and now look at it. Won my first major. :proud:
I still wouldnt call it my best vapourbot, IMO Wedginator, Seung Mina, and a few others in my squad would be better than it.
Killotine is a much better axebot, really, but its like Martijn said, dont focus on solely one bot and base stats off it.
Is it possible to fit 8 S28-400s into a heavyweight?
why would you want to?
To get 8 wheel drive with 1 motor per wheel
Its useless though if your opponent lifts all your wheels off the ground. :wink:
And sorry, Aaron, but Ive been toying around with solids for a few hours, and Ive decided that I cant be arsed to go through it all right now (lol, a bit frustrating if you get me) Ill stick with surfacing for now. :P
Will make a final draft of the Troubloon 6 CAD soon. :)
Liam: Is it possible? Yes, although you would sacrifice a lot of armour for wheels gears and batteries. An active weapon would be out of the question.
So in short you would have a badly turning cardboard box with no weapon. But at least you got 8 wheels.
Right...stats.
Troubloon 6
Shape: Box wedge with inverted rear wedge.
Colour: Mainly brick red. Name on top.
Weight: 100kg
Speed: 12mph
Armour: 3.2mm Hardox monocoque, weighing in at 34kg. The side skirts are 3mm Grade 5 titanium.
Drive: 2 S28-400 MagMotors run at 24 volts.
Power: 8 A123 Li-Ion packs.
Motivation: (I was researching this but then my internet got...bad while I was talking to Aaron :P) 2WD, titanium hubs with a two-component polyurethane coating.
Ground Clearance: 0mm at the front behind the disc, 2cm under the disc, 10mm at the sides (0 with skirts), and 15mm at the rear.
Turning Circle: One that is non-existant
Dimensions in CM: 85 x 65 x 16
Weapon 1: Two 10kg horizontal titanium flywheels, a low one at the front wedge and a high one at the rear wedge, with 2 large Hardox teeth. When flipped, the high rear disc becomes the low front disc and vice-versa. Theyre powered by one S28-400 MagMotor at 36 volts and spin at 2000rpm. They take about 4.7 seconds to get there and dish out approximately 64.3kJ per hit. There is a belt in the weapon drive so that if one of the discs is stalled, the S28 will keep on spinning and the other disc will as well.
Weapon 2: Not really a weapon, but there are extended horns at the front and rear, sharpened and diamond-tipped. The horns at the rear are to spear wedges that try to race in under the rear, and the horns at the front do the same when inverted.
Srimech: Invertible.
Notes: Thanks to Aaron, Leo, and Martijn for all the help in making of this bot, and doubtless there will be more to go. :proud:
The CAD is done but I must get some sleep. night.
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And sorry, Aaron, but Ive been toying around with solids for a few hours, and Ive decided that I cant be arsed to go through it all right now (lol, a bit frustrating if you get me) Ill stick with surfacing for now. :P
I guess I should have mentions the method of drawing parts in 2D, then using the planar curves to solid extrusion method :proud:
Is this overweight?
http://strickenone.proboards99.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=teamww&thread=352&p age=1http://strickenone.proboards99.com/i...teamww&thread= 352&page=1
Kodys unreliable :proud: weight check:
Shocking
Motors = 24kg
Batteries = 14.4kg
Wheels and gearing = ~20kg
Armour (minus front) = ~20kg
Chassis = ~15kg
Front platings = ~5kg - 10kg
Rest = ~10kg
TOTAL = ~108.4kg - 112.4kg
So yeah, its kinda overweight.
Ill work on it :)
Ahem. To help Kody along :)
Top and bottom plate:
(l x b x h in dm)
per plate: 9 dm x 9 dm x 0.05 dm = 4.05 dm3
So 2 plates: 4.05dm3 x 2 = 8.1 dm3
Ti= 4.5 kg/dm3
8.1 dm3 x 4.5 kg/dm3 = 36.45 kg
Subtract the wheel holes (I dont know the width of the wheels so I went for 10cm wide and 10cm long holes, 16 in total):
16 x (1 dm x 1 dm x 0.05 dm)= 0.8 dm3
0.8 x 4.5 = 3.6 kg
36.45 kg - 3.6 kg = 32.85 kg
And thats just top and bottom, never mind the sides, skirts and shovels.
I think you need to slim down even more than Kody thinks. And some astute readers now also understand that drilling holes to save weight is really nickels and dime work.
How about now?
If you post stats or the link...
^original link^
Borrowing Leos calculations, the top and bottom plates, with 3mm titanium, now weigh...
21.87kg without holes, and 19.71kg with holes.
Not counting the 1mm aluminium in behind the front set-ups, of course :proud:
(Message edited by kodster on August 11, 2008)
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Not counting the 1mm aluminium in front of courseor the sides, or the back, or the skirts.
Btw Liam, what makes you so sure that you will get all that power to the ground as you say in your stats? (edit, never mind, I presume you refer to the 8 wheels)
(Message edited by leorcc on August 11, 2008)
Meh :proud:
Time to scrap this useless idea
And you thought I was joking when I said you would have a cardboard armoured box. :)
After some calculations I managed to work out the idea Liam had, but then in a way that you still have 16kg left for a scoop with a 5mm Ti armour all round but no skirts though and exposed wheels. (you have to do something when you are bored to tears in a hotelroom :) ). I collected all data from robotmarketplace and overdimensioned pretty much everything to account for additional mounting and bracing.
I wont enter it as a vapour though, I cant stand wedge boxes. But if Liam wants it he knows how to reach me.
(Message edited by leorcc on August 12, 2008)
Kody, could you do some renders for me?
I asked him that a couple of months ago - what happened to Knyfes render? :crazy:
Paul, be patient.
Ben, were gonna move this over here. I dont want Dave thinking were mucking up his thread.
Weight break-down of Robo-Hedgehog =
Armour (thanks to Leos calculator) = 54.9kg
Chassis = ~15kg
Weapons (excluding interchangeables) = ~50kg
Motors = 12.4kg
Batteries = 14.4kg
Tracks, gears, and rest of motivation = ~20kg
Teeth on top = ~5-10kg
The rest = 10kg
So you are nearly overweight on armour and weapons alone.
(Message edited by kodster on August 13, 2008)
Scary how fast that armour piles on the kilos isnt it?
btw, its not my calculator, it is the default way to calculate weight.
1 dm3 is the same as a plate 1m x 1m x 1mm (think of a cube of 10cm x 10cm x 10cm and slice them into tiles of 1mm you would have 100 tiles making a square of 1m2 of 1mm thick).
So if you take a square plate of 1m2 of say 5mm you have 5 dm3. Then its just a matter of multiplying that with the density of the material.
If you then realize that a 1 mm Hardox plate would be 7.8kg already, imagine the 6mm to 8 mm armoured vapourbots we have in these competitions. Thats why I agree with Graig on the build small policy when it comes to thick armour or armouring on key areas only.
Right, Paul, lets see these changes. :P
NITRO-GENE 5.0
€ WEIGHT: 100kg
€ ARMOUR: 3.25mm monocoque Hardox for the body, with very strong Stainless Steel bolts. 6mm Hardox flipper. Inside the body, there€™s 1cm of Vulkanised rubber on the sides and rear, with 3cm on the front to help fight powerful spinners, and theres also 0.5cm of PU foam covering the motors and flipper rams inside for protection.
€ SHAPE: Low invertible box with sides and rear angled in a shape, with the rear angled . The front is completely flat, making it useful at hitting into things and bashing. All the lines have been curved over to make it harder for a spinner to grab onto a panel and rip.
€ MOTORS: 2 x S28-400 MagMotors at 36V = 12HP
€ LOCOMOTION: 4 Vulkanised Wheels, each is 40mm in width, and they€™re also 180mm in diameter.
€ DIMENSIONS: (L) 79CM (H) 17CM (W) 63CM
€ COLOUR: Dark Blue all over with the flipper coloured red with the name imblazed on the flipper (running vertically down the robot) in gold writing with a thick silver outline. All the edges of the robot are coloured gold.
€ WEAPONRY: A full pressure Nitrogen powered flipper at 1000psi, using a single 110mm ram at 1000psi. The flipper is mounted in the middle of the robot, and is 15cm wide and runs 75cm up the body. Using a 5cm long 10mm thick Titanium wedge underneath the flipper, and a heavy flipping arm, the flipper runs completely along the ground. Running on a ratio 2.5:1, the flipper produces 1400kg of force at the tips, allowing me to launch anyone away! This version has enough lift to get a robot of equal size 11-6ft into the air, and throw it 11-6ft along. This version has 1 x 1.5kg Nitrogen bottle, giving me 10 flips! The flipper has enough power to self-right Nitro-Gene 5.0 in a super stylish 540* somersault!
€ SPEED: 20mph
€ GROUND CLEARANCE: 0CM-1CM. At the front, it is completely 0mm. On the skirted sides/rear, its 1cm. 4mm Titanium skirts held on by Hardox hindges are mounted on the sides/rear and join up at the corners, making it harder to get under.
€ STRENGTH: Pushing power and weaponry.
€ WEAKNESS: High ground clearance underneath skirts.
Right. Few things...
- Battery stats? (you say you dont know anything about them, so you should LEARN ABOUT THEM! :P)
- I would recommend changing the armour to titanium to save weight for dimension enlarging
- DIMENSIONS! ARE! STILL! WAY! TOO! SMALL! Some middleweights have greater dimensions than that! Seriously, height is okay, but you REALLY need to make the length and width more. around 90cm length and around 80cm width is good.
- Lower the voltage for the MagMotors, that will save more weight for batteries WHICH YOU NEED :P
Sorry if I sound crabby but your stats are really frustrating, and have been for a while -_-;
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giving me 10 flips!
So if you end up in a battle in an arena like Franks Last Bot Standing youre in trouble :proud:
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What does that even mean?
I think you mean -___-
I think he means -_-;
but Im glad youre trying to help in the How Could I Improve Kodys Smileys Topic :proud:
but yeah, those dimensions are really small
(Message edited by MajinB on August 14, 2008)
hi
this is my first post in the vapourbot section, i have designed a bot and would like to see what you think of it.
Name: Crash
Armor: 6mm hardox on the front and 6mm Titainium on the sides and back
Chassis: 6mm polycarb
Battery: 2 12v sealed-lead-acid bats wired in series
Motors: 2 magmotors at 24v
T.x: hitec laser 4
R.x: hitec feather
Weapon: A full pressure, c02 powered flipper at 750psi, with 2 110mm rams, the flipper is made out of 8mm mild steel, should be enough to get me 8-10 flips
Weight: around 98kgs
Shape: a basic wedge
Wheels: 2x go-kart wheels, mounted at the back of the bot
Pics/Cads: none, i dont have Cad
Additional notes: the flipper is hinged at the back
if i have made any serious errors please tell me
jack
(Message edited by Team_Orr on August 14, 2008)
(Message edited by Team_Orr on August 14, 2008)
(Message edited by Team_Orr on August 14, 2008)
Hello Jack,
Welcome to the vapourbot section.
Now, as your vapourbot:
a Polycarb chassis is hardly ever used in anything heavier than a featherweight. Most use steel box section or use the armour as a selfsupporting frame (aka monocoque).
What we do need from you is dimensions, as in length, width, and height.
When you say a basic wedge, do you mean a triangular type of wedge or a boxy wedge?
We dont need the TX and RX, we assume they are basically covered unless you have something special, be that would be silly really.
Weapon. 2 rams of 110mm (I assume you mean the diameter with that) would be very powerfull indeed. However you say 8 to 10 flips, but not where the gas comes from. Normal is 1.2kg or 2kg CO2 gas bottles. depending on the shape and form you have either 1 or 2 of these on board. Keep in mind that 2 bottles mean twice the space and twice the weight. A 2kg bottle (wicht means there is 2kg of gas in there)weighs up to 5kg when filled.
Its not bad for a first try, hope you can clear some things up.