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Thing is, Chris, youve been here for ages (like 2003?) so everybody assumes youve got the information already (not saying its right but thats pretty much whats happened, just like with Tony IIRC, although he was here for a much shorter period of time). Kinda shocking when we find out you dont.
Joey, when your child wants to learn to swim, you dont just throw it in the deep end of a swimming pool.
Well actually... :proud:
Thats all very well, but theres the issue...and this is extremely important...of whether I understand it or not.
If we take Mega Masher 2, for instance. Its got a weight, body shape, dimensions, top speed, TC, GC, Armour, Power for the drive, power for the weapon, THE weapon, what it does...now, as far as Im concerned, and as far as Ive gathered from what Ive seen from Robot Wars and the competitors websites, thats enough. The fact that youre now telling me that I HAVE to talk about the weapon motor voltage, a concept Ive got no chance of understanding, throws me completely.
As far as Im concerned, Ive got the vitals and thats enough. I know that the more detail, the better...but surely it could go to the point of rediculous-ness. I mean, I dont even want to consider the possibility of having to describe the EXACT shade of red it is.
I appriciate you all for helping me, but youre throwing too much stuff at me, stuff I simply dont need all in one go.
Ill try my best to update the stats as best I can. But I cant do more than I understand, Im afraid.
Ive tried to give the stats an update. But this really is pushing my limits somewhat.
CYCLONE FORCE 3
Weight; 100 kilos
Body Shape; Low invertable box, kinda like Storm 2, but without the wedge. Only 80cm in length and width and 30cm high.
Speed; 20mph
TC; 0
GC; Side is 0mm due to skirts. Otherwise, 10mm. See set-ups for front GC
Wheels; 6 inner
Armour; 8mm Titanium.
Power; LEM130s at 36 volts, ala Storm 2. 3x12v batteries.
Colour; A blue-ish grey tone all over.
Weapons; The robot has 3 set-ups...
SET UP 1...An electric lifter device, similar to Storm 2. In theory, it can lift 190 kilos. The front makes a wedge and results in a 0mm GC. However, the wedge is useless upside down.
SET-UP 2...Two large 30 centimetre long steel spikes, powered by their own pneumatic system and running off CO2. The front with this GC is 10mm.
SET-UP 3...A simple bucket scoop, like X-Terminator. The scoop is static, but can get underneath virtually zero ground clearance. Its front is 0mm.
Srimech; The robot runs inverted, the sides are protected by the skirts and back stranding is impossible.
Inspiration; The original Cyclone was named because it is the name of a storm and it sounds threatening. The force came later, after it became a pusher.
Strengths;Raw power
Weaknessess;Limited control.
LEPROSY INFECTION
Weight; 100 kilos
Body Shape; Invertible box, looks a bit like Tetanus Booster, only slightly larger. About 140cm in length, 90cm in width and 30cm in height.
Speed; 18mph
TC; 0
GC; 6mm. The mini-skirts hang down to about 1mm.
Wheels; 4 inner, top sticking out. Hinged mini-skirts hang from the side, and these protect the wheels from low lying discs.
Armour; 7mm titanium
Power; 3x 12v batteries, powered by S28-400 Magmotors. LEM130 motor for the drum.
Colour; A disgusting shade of lime green.
Weapons; A very large, very dangerous vertical drum, capable of reaching speeds of 4000rpm. The teeth on the drum are curved upwards so they can flip as well as damage and very sharp at the tip. There is a reason for this explained below. By the drum are two hindged wedge type devices, which drive oppodents onto the drum.
Srimech; The robot is invertable. Bars along the side and back prevent stranding. The wheel flaps, both on top and bottom, are set so the robot can still run inverted without getting stranded. Once upside down, the teeth of the drum gouge out robot parts.
Inspiration; Named after the disease which causes the skin to flake and fingers and toes to drop off...namely because the robot does something similar. The basic idea came from an episode of The Simpsons.
Strengths; Drum, control is pretty good
Weaknessess; Wheels may be vulnerable to axes
MEGA MASHER 2
Weight: 100 kilos
Body Shape: A Triangle shape, a bit like Inshredable (from Series 6). 0.85m in length and width, and 0.35m at its highest point. The sides are heavily angled, a bit like UFO in S7, only more so.
Speed: 15mph
TC: 0
GC; 0 at front, 6mm elsewhere.
Wheels; 6 inner, aranged in a 3-wheel-a-side formation. This means that four wheels are always on the ground at any one time.
Armour: A nice 3.25mm Hardox, all over.
Power: 3x 12v batteries, plus Bosch 750s at 36v.
Colour: Red and yellow.
Weapons; The front is a wedge, and the back has a nasty vertical titanium 35cm in diameter disc, powered by its own LEM130 motor and spinning at 2000 rpm. It can probably flip as well as damage.
Srimech: The robot can run inverted, with the sheer angling at the sides making stranding near impossible.
Inspiration; This is probably the only robot I have where I have had no inspiration. It just came as a good name.
Strengths: Power, weaponary
Weaknessess: New and untested design.
AXE-O-LOTL
Weight: 100 kilos
Body Shape: Comengetorix shaped (box-wedge?), a metre long, 70cm wide and 30cm high.
Speed: 20mph
TC: 0
GC: 0mm at the front, 6mm elsewhere.
Wheels: 4 inner
Armour: 3.25mm Hardox all around.
Power: LEM130s at 36 volts, ala Storm 2. 3x12v batteries.
Colour: Has interchangable panels. One set is pure black, the other pure white with pink tinges.
Weapons: A very nasty pneumatic titanium axe, with the power of Dominator 2. The head is diamond tipped, and the whole weapon is VERY persistant. It can fire about 40 times in one fight.
Srimech: The axe rights the robot. The robots body is designed so it cant be side stranded.
Inspiration: My favourite amphibian, the axolotl.
Strengths: Powerful weaponary
Weaknessess: Obviously a limited CO2 supply.
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as far as Im concerned, and as far as Ive gathered from what Ive seen from Robot Wars and the competitors websites, thats enough
I dont wanna dive into this discussion but I want to say you miss a point here. With real robots, the actual robots do the fighting, the way the roboteer describes it does not effect the way it fights.
With vapourbots, there are no actual robots. All the fighting is done by the robot you DESCRIBE. The description is vital in vapourbots.
I know that, and thats what Im trying to do. Im also using my favourite secret weapon...common sense. I mean, if an axe can fire 40 times in a match, or a blade can spin at 2000rpm, I would (and this is personally just me) have been able to figure it out from there.
Besides that, I dont wish to risk conflicting information.
Thing is that you cant assume what is and what isnt unless you know more things and are able to make a more accurate guess. Right, so I should just suppose two discs made of different material, Hardox and titanium, give out the same amount of kinetic energy when spinning at 2000rpm then, Chris? Of course not. They have a different MOI (Moment Of Inertia, and I explained that to you a bit before; the higher the MOI, the more kJ) and different dimensions, which both contribute to the amount of kJ they dish out, and thus one of the discs is stronger.
Same thing with the axe situation youre referring to. For an axe to fire 40 times in a match, it would have be dependent on the size of the ram (if its thinner, then yeah it can fire more times because less CO2 is used), but also the amount of CO2 for the axe.
Stats build on each other, Chris. You cant have one without the other.
(Message edited by kodster on January 05, 2009)
Yeah, I know that. But, unfortunately, the way youve described it falls under the technological blabble in my book.
The whole issue I think is going on here is the understanding. You may, but dont you think youre asking a bit much for me to be able to grasp that straight away. I mean, I only managed to grasp the concept of MOI fairly recently (and you should know because you told me about it), and even now Im still not totally happy with it. Or the whole concept of kenetic energy...that just flys over my head, to be honest. Its a titanium blade spinning at 2000rpm. Thats enough. From the understanding POV anyway.
Chris...
-a titanium blade weighing 400g, 20cm in diameter with sharp edges on, spinning at 2000rpm
-a titanium blade weighing 40kg, 1 metre in diameter, and shaped into large hammers at the ends, spinning at 2000rpm
You and I know that these two things will do completely different amounts of damage when they hit...and yet you say material and rpm is all thats needed? I think theres a bit missing there :P
And btw, I could do with Cyclone Forces length really, but if you could make changes to the stats with regards to what Kody and Marti have (very excellently I must say, thanks guys :)) mentioned above and add a length, we could be rolling.
Joey, thats completely different. OBVIOUSLY that sort of stuff would be included as well...in fact, Id probably have that down before I even have the material and RPM. Thats unneccessary.
Oh, and because it seems you havent noticed, Ill repost what was posted 6 posts up.
CYCLONE FORCE 3
Weight; 100 kilos
Body Shape; Low invertable box, kinda like Storm 2, but without the wedge. Only 80cm in length and width and 30cm high.
Speed; 20mph
TC; 0
GC; Side is 0mm due to skirts. Otherwise, 10mm. See set-ups for front GC
Wheels; 6 inner
Armour; 8mm Titanium.
Power; LEM130s at 36 volts, ala Storm 2. 3x12v batteries.
Colour; A blue-ish grey tone all over.
Weapons; The robot has 3 set-ups...
SET UP 1...An electric lifter device, similar to Storm 2. In theory, it can lift 190 kilos. The front makes a wedge and results in a 0mm GC. However, the wedge is useless upside down.
SET-UP 2...Two large 30 centimetre long steel spikes, powered by their own pneumatic system and running off CO2. The front with this GC is 10mm.
SET-UP 3...A simple bucket scoop, like X-Terminator. The scoop is static, but can get underneath virtually zero ground clearance. Its front is 0mm.
Srimech; The robot runs inverted, the sides are protected by the skirts and back stranding is impossible.
Inspiration; The original Cyclone was named because it is the name of a storm and it sounds threatening. The force came later, after it became a pusher.
Strengths;Raw power
Weaknessess;Limited control.
LEPROSY INFECTION
Weight; 100 kilos
Body Shape; Invertible box, looks a bit like Tetanus Booster, only slightly larger. About 140cm in length, 90cm in width and 30cm in height.
Speed; 18mph
TC; 0
GC; 6mm. The mini-skirts hang down to about 1mm.
Wheels; 4 inner, top sticking out. Hinged mini-skirts hang from the side, and these protect the wheels from low lying discs.
Armour; 7mm titanium
Power; 3x 12v batteries, powered by S28-400 Magmotors. LEM130 motor for the drum.
Colour; A disgusting shade of lime green.
Weapons; A very large, very dangerous vertical drum, capable of reaching speeds of 4000rpm. The teeth on the drum are curved upwards so they can flip as well as damage and very sharp at the tip. There is a reason for this explained below. By the drum are two hindged wedge type devices, which drive oppodents onto the drum.
Srimech; The robot is invertable. Bars along the side and back prevent stranding. The wheel flaps, both on top and bottom, are set so the robot can still run inverted without getting stranded. Once upside down, the teeth of the drum gouge out robot parts.
Inspiration; Named after the disease which causes the skin to flake and fingers and toes to drop off...namely because the robot does something similar. The basic idea came from an episode of The Simpsons.
Strengths; Drum, control is pretty good
Weaknessess; Wheels may be vulnerable to axes
MEGA MASHER 2
Weight: 100 kilos
Body Shape: A Triangle shape, a bit like Inshredable (from Series 6). 0.85m in length and width, and 0.35m at its highest point. The sides are heavily angled, a bit like UFO in S7, only more so.
Speed: 15mph
TC: 0
GC; 0 at front, 6mm elsewhere.
Wheels; 6 inner, aranged in a 3-wheel-a-side formation. This means that four wheels are always on the ground at any one time.
Armour: A nice 3.25mm Hardox, all over.
Power: 3x 12v batteries, plus Bosch 750s at 36v.
Colour: Red and yellow.
Weapons; The front is a wedge, and the back has a nasty vertical titanium 35cm in diameter disc, powered by its own LEM130 motor and spinning at 2000 rpm. It can probably flip as well as damage.
Srimech: The robot can run inverted, with the sheer angling at the sides making stranding near impossible.
Inspiration; This is probably the only robot I have where I have had no inspiration. It just came as a good name.
Strengths: Power, weaponary
Weaknessess: New and untested design.
AXE-O-LOTL
Weight: 100 kilos
Body Shape: Comengetorix shaped (box-wedge?), a metre long, 70cm wide and 30cm high.
Speed: 20mph
TC: 0
GC: 0mm at the front, 6mm elsewhere.
Wheels: 4 inner
Armour: 3.25mm Hardox all around.
Power: LEM130s at 36 volts, ala Storm 2. 3x12v batteries.
Colour: Has interchangable panels. One set is pure black, the other pure white with pink tinges.
Weapons: A very nasty pneumatic titanium axe, with the power of Dominator 2. The head is diamond tipped, and the whole weapon is VERY persistant. It can fire about 40 times in one fight.
Srimech: The axe rights the robot. The robots body is designed so it cant be side stranded.
Inspiration: My favourite amphibian, the axolotl.
Strengths: Powerful weaponary
Weaknessess: Obviously a limited CO2 supply.