For the srimech, I would go for a simple electric linear actuator.
I wouldnt call it having a lack of traction as a weakness
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For the srimech, I would go for a simple electric linear actuator.
I wouldnt call it having a lack of traction as a weakness
Sir Spinalot = Overweight.
Your building a clone of Tornado Mer basically, so you might as well copy half the stats. Go 4 x S28-400 magmotors, this is on par with an ETEK, but it will all fit within 100mm tall. Drives, another pair of S28s will suffice here. Stack up on at least 8 x 24v 3600mAH battery packs.. Bring the size down to 800mm x 800mm x 120mm. Make the bar 1200+mm to get enough reach when attacking. Make the whole body out of 5mm titanium. Should be close to the weight limit. And a lot more realistic compared to you currently design.
Square = Overweight
4 x LEM130s for drive, plus a heavy hydraulic system that youve provided no real information for, where is your evidence that it has 9tonne at the tip? No information on batteries either.
I seem to be repeating myself here, but if you cannot back up your claims with some maths or information, dont make those claims. :wink:
Ive already explained that I know nothing about batteries, so I cannot say anything about them. As for the weapon and drive, reduce the drive to 2 x LEM130s at 36V. About the weapon, its based uses the Razer mechanism to power the claws. Except that the Razer system runs on a reverse ratio - so it 3:6:9 the further in you go. With me its 9:6:3, as Im doing it in reverse.
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Ive already explained that I know nothing about batteries
SO LEARN ABOUT THEM! :crazy:
Andre, could you please post the most recent version of Sir Spinalots stats? There are so many different versions and corrections that I dont know where we are at any more.
Paul, other than the motors which you have now fixed, its not bad. A few more details are required though. Personally, I dont understand batteries either, but that doesnt mean I leave them out of my stats. The majority of vapourbots here use the 2x LEM130 @ 36v set-up, so all you have to do is look around and see what other people are using.
Also, saying it uses the Razer mechanism is too vague. You have two horizontal claws, correct? Razer has one vertical claw, correct? So you need to explain how the system is adapted to fit Square. Again, you also need to back up this claim of 9 tonnes of force. For example, state the size of the ram(s) you are using, and the pressure that they run at. In fact, at the moment, I am presuming that this system is hydraulic, but you havent said this in the stats.
Using the Razer system is fine, but what if the writer has never seen Razer? You need to find out what it used, and put these in your stats. To help you on your way, use http://www.pneumaticsonline.com/Calc5.asp
Well, Ive finally decided to add batteries to my stats (something whuch I actually HAVENT done before because I was so unsure about my own knowledge on them). And Ive also decided not to make Square a crusher, but a double axer. Have a look as the stats for more details.
SQUARE
€ WEIGHT: 100kg
€ ARMOUR: The top armour is 4mm Titanium. The sides (all - front back AND sides) are 5mm Hardox. At the front, between the claws, is 5cm of Vulkanised Rubber to put off spinner blows.
€ SHAPE: Low invertible box with slightly curved sides to prevent balancing on the sides.
€ MOTORS: 2 x LEM 130€™s at 36V = 18HP (90x 3000mAh NiCad€™s producing 36V make up the batteries)
€ LOCOMOTION: 4 Vulkanised Wheels.
€ DIMENSIONS: (L) 70CM (H) 25CM (W) 70CM
€ COLOUR: Painted red for the claws and front, back and sides, and white for the top and bottom (the name is drawn on the top in black).
€ WEAPONRY: Two side-mounted axes made of G5 Titanium with 2 x Hardox spikes, 30mm in diameter which come to a sharp, fine point. The axes are powered by 2 x 140mm rams at 200psi Nitrogen. The axes, given this means of power and movement, can give off 4 tons of force on each axe - it should destroy Aluminium and Titanium and cause quite a bit of harm to Hardox.
€ SPEED: 20mph
€ GROUND CLEARANCE: 0-5MM. On all sides are fixed skirts, made of 4mm Titanium.
€ STRENGTH: Pushing Power.
€ WEAKNESS: Unprotected side clearance.
Destroy titanium?
So basically square is like Kan-Opener, but with 4 wheels.
Paul, the force of your rams are 2 tons each, not 4 (140 mm @ 200psi). Also keep in mind these are only near the ram, the tips will be far less force because of the leveradge.
The specs themselves are not unrealistic, although I would prefer CO2 over Nitrogen. And if your robot can drive on 2 sides, there is no need for skirts. most of the time they just get in the way of driving and a flipper can always get you anyway with those claws sticking out.
Correct me if Im wrong, but 200psi is a pretty small amount of gas pressure, there is no way that is going to produce 4 tons of axe pressure with an axe full stop let alone this setup.
Beside axes depending on whether you are using them to bludgeon or pierce never really destroy anything. If you have a sharp tip (like dominator, mortis or killerhurtz) it will puncture it or if you have a broad edge (like terrorhurtz) then it will buckle the armour. As for harming hardox - not especially likely with an axe.
Bear in mind that horizontal axes are also always weaker than vertical ones: for one whey will knock an opponent back rather than damagign them because the opponent isnt trapped between an imovable object (ie the floor) and secondly because it doesnt have gravity ot offer a little help.
Alex, a 140mm ram with 13.7 bars of pressure is noting to sneeze at either. they would work great for clamping, with close to a tonne at each tip.
For reference, Splinter used a 10 bar 63mm ram to clamp the opponent down and no one ever managed to drive out of it once they were caught. Not even Storm II.
The side weapons are based off that of Axeon 2.0, the axing robot belonging to AJ, except mine are TWICE as powerful. His axe is powered by Nitrogen at 100psi, and he says that (and I quote this) his axe can annihilate Aluminium, punch holes in Titanium and even dent Hardox at full pressure! The only difference is the head of the axes - Axeon 2.0 uses a big spike, whereas Im using fine spikes, designed to pierce robots and trap them.
Understandable?
Well then AJ was wrong. :)
Its not to be scoffed at, but neither is it anywhere near what he is suggesting as far as my (rather limited) knowledge of these matters can work out.
For one thing, looking at the terrorhurtz website, that axe is only claimed to be 900kg - worth of force, and if you are having to divide the weight between two axes, which are also horizontal it should be considerably less than the total of 8tons that he claims. Not even accounting for what he can or cant get out of his setup.
As for splinter, clamping works very effectively, but never usually for damaging. Having said that, Ive not seen any versions of splinter past series 6, so cant comment properly.
Just checked Axeons stats, and I made a major botch. It is meant to be 1000psi, not 100psi. Either way, we all know its a copy and paste of Dureon, so blame Aaron! :P
(Message edited by andrewj on February 17, 2008)
I thought 100 sounded pretty miniscule lol
I did think about that much though, but since I know that THZ uses 160psi, so I just took it on the face.
Ditch Nitrogen and go CO2. They both provide the same output at the same pressure. Nitrogen is only advantageous when you want pressures of 1000+PSI, otherwise, you get less Nitrogen shots compared to CO2.
I did a few density calcs and youve got over 45kg in armour/chassis. You might want to remove that urethane from the front and just beef the hardox up to 6mm.
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As for splinter, clamping works very effectively, but never usually for damaging.No, but thats where Splinters axe comes in to play, once clamped all hits will be on the same spot.
OK - the axes now produce 1000psi.
Have you even considered what the implications are of such a change?
btw:
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Name: Sir Spinalot
Weight: 97KG
Shape: Circle
Color: Light Blue with a painted USA Flag on top of Sir Spinalot
Dimmension: 800mm x 800mm x 120mm
Locomotion: 4 foam-filed wheels, the motors are 4 x s28-400 magamotors with 8 x v24 3600ah battery packs
Ground Clearance: 10mm
Speed: 20mph
Armor: 5mm titanium
Weapons: 2000mm 8x8x8 titanium spinning bar with 4 3x3x4 with a 7 distance titanium teeth on the each side of the spinning bar that runs 1000 rpm with 4 x s28-400 magamotors.
Sri-mech: Yes, The self-righting bar is a electric linear acutator that is on top on Sir Spinalot
Strength: Powerful Weapon
Weakness: Vulerable When Weapon Is Disable
Hello people...
Could you look these over for me? Im pretty sure at least ones overweight and very few are competitive, but Id like to think Ive done my research.
Gabriel
WEIGHT: 100kgs
DIMENSIONS: 100 x 50 x 35 cm
SHAPE: Elongated triangular pyramid with steep rear and very shallow front
COLOUR: Black with yellow and black chevron highlights on the joins and around the weapons.
DRIVE: 2 S28-400 Magmotors driving 2 wheels running off 4 NiCd packs at 24v
SPEED: 14mph average, 20mph max
GROUND CLEARANCE: 0 at front due to spring hinged nose, rising to 7mm at rear
ARMOUR: 3mm aluminium baseplate, 5mm titanium armour on rest of body (5mm hardox in critical areas and edges).
WEAPONS: A low pressure pneumatic front hinged flipper, consisting of the front edge of the body, running from 2 2kg CO2 tanks and a hydraulic ram (similar to Gravedigger in S3). The flipper cant really flip 100kgs very well, but it doesnt need to as the design means anything caught by the flipper will be rolled over to one side.
SRIMECH: Via weapon.
NOTES: Components shock mounted for protection vs. spinners and impacts
STRENGTHS: Difficult to get a grip on due to the shape
WEAKNESSES: Has no real way of damaging its opponents
Fire And Ice
WEIGHT: 110kgs
DIMENSIONS: 75 x 55 x 22 cm
SHAPE: Parallelogram wedge
COLOUR: Flame red and yellow at front, icy blue and green at back.
DRIVE: 4 LEM130 motors running off NiCd packs at 36hp driving steel-reinforced rubber tracks.
SPEED: 16mph average, 25mph max (rarely used as it is difficult/impossible to turn at this speed)
GROUND CLEARANCE: 10mm at sides, plating extending below both wedges giving 1mm clearance on whichever side is down (if that makes sense...), 23cm at rear.
ARMOUR: Sides are 5mm hardox, front and rear are 10mm hardox, with the top and underside being 4mm titanium.
WEAPONS: Mainly relies on speed and ramming power, but also has two 20cm diameter diamond edged sawblades, one in the centre of each wedge (a la Angel Of Death from S2) powered by S28-150 Magmotors to around 3500rpm. The saws spin upwards to have some lifting effect as well.
SRIMECH: None, but runs inverted. Has spike strips on the sides to prevent stranding.
NOTES: Armour and components shock mounted to reduce impact from all things large and spinny.
STRENGTHS: Good speed and power, good against spinners
WEAKNESSES: Tracks vulnerable to axes
Nidhogg
WEIGHT: 100kgs
DIMENSIONS: 95 x 55 x 37 (47 inc weapon) cm
SHAPE: Elongated triangular pyramid with steep rear and very shallow front, with a flat bit on the front edge and 2 cutouts in each side panel for eyes
COLOUR: Dark green and brownish roughly chevron patterning, fading to blood red towards the front. Weapons are gold coloured with flame red spines on the arm.
DRIVE: 2 Leeson M1120046 motors run at 24v from 4 NiCd packs driving 2 wheels, with a ball caster just behind the forks in the nose
SPEED: 14mph average, 20mph max
GROUND CLEARANCE: 0 at front due to forks, rising to 10mm at rear
ARMOUR: 4mm Hardox (7mm in key areas) on front, side and rear panels, 3mm aluminium baseplate
WEAPONS: Hydraulic crushing arm (constructed of hardened steel and aluminium alloy) at front driven from a LEM130 pump at 3000psi, giving 9 tonnes of force at the ram and 4.5 tonnes of force at the tip. Also has Haardvark-style lifting forks at the very front run from an S28-150 Magmotor and a lead screw capable of lifting 200kgs.
SRIMECH: Via the weapon, which has decorative spines to assist in self righting. Spikes at the rear prevent the robot getting stranded.
NOTES: Components and armour shock mounted for protection against large scary spinny things. Eyes in side of robot serve as targeting lasers (they dont actually target, they just look really cool)
STRENGTHS: Can cause a lot of damage
WEAKNESSES: Slow at self righting
147
WEIGHT: 100kgs
DIMENSIONS: 105 x 60 x 40 cm
SHAPE: Wedge with flat back
COLOUR: Green on the front (thanks to the felt) with brown wood-effect sides and rear
DRIVE: 2 S28-150 Magmotors running from 4 NiCd packs at 24v driving 2 wheels
SPEED: 15mph average, 20mph max
GROUND CLEARANCE: 0 all around due to a hinged plate on the flipper and side and rear skirts, 10mm underneath
ARMOUR: 7mm Hardox on front (covered in 2mm green felt stolen...uh..borrowed from actual snooker tables), 4mm Hardox at sides and rear (covered in 1mm fiberglass made to resemble wood), 3mm aluminium baseplate and under flipper to deter inquisitive pointy nasty spiky things.
WEAPONS: High pressure pneumatic rear hinged flipper, consisting of the entire front plate of the robot, running from 2 rams and 2 2kg CO2 tanks, giving about 20 flips per fight. Also has a 50cm long steel pneumatic ram at the rear, running from 1 2kg CO2 tank at low pressure, painted to resemble a snooker cue (complete with chalking) which can punch through thin (2mm) titanium but is primarily there to right the robot if it becomes stranded.
SRIMECH: Via weapons. Sides have fibreglass moulding and spikes to prevent stranding.
NOTES: Has several snooker balls (1 cue ball, 4 reds, 1 yellow, 1 blue and 1 black if anyones interested) screwed to the top part of the flipper that not only look good but prevent opponents driving off/over the top. Internal components are shock mounted to reduce damage.
STRENGTHS: Powerful flipper
WEAKNESSES: Flammable (oh yes...), no real damaging weaponry
getting closer Andre, some questions remain...
Weight: 97KG
meh, make it 100 kg
Weapons: 2000mm 8x8x8 titanium spinning bar with 4 3x3x4 with a 7 distance titanium teeth on the each side of the spinning bar that runs 1000 rpm with 4 x s28-400 magamotors.
Still cant see how a BAR has 8 teeth, also what is 2000mm 8x8x8 supposed to mean? A bar has 3 dimensions, not 4
Sri-mech: Yes, The self-righting bar is a electric linear acutator that is on top on Sir Spinalot
the bar is POWERED by a linear actuator, it isnt an actuator itself
a warm welcome to this place Joey, I shall take a look at your robots later :proud:
good havin you here, have fun
WOW! Another newcomer! And some promising vapourbots too! :proud:
Welcome to the forum, Joey! :)
I cant make any guarantees, but I shall try to :wink:
EDIT: And thanks for that Kody.
(Message edited by joeychevron on February 20, 2008)
ok Joey, here we go!:crazy:
Gabriel
WEIGHT: 100kgs
DIMENSIONS: 100 x 50 x 35 cm
SHAPE: Elongated triangular pyramid with steep rear and very shallow front
COLOUR: Black with yellow and black chevron highlights on the joins and around the weapons.
DRIVE: 2 S28-400 Magmotors driving 2 wheels running off 4 NiCd packs at 24v
SPEED: 14mph average, 20mph max
GROUND CLEARANCE: 0 at front due to spring hinged nose, rising to 7mm at rear
ARMOUR: 3mm aluminium baseplate, 5mm titanium armour on rest of body (5mm hardox in critical areas and edges).
WEAPONS: A low pressure pneumatic front hinged flipper, consisting of the front edge of the body, running from 2 2kg CO2 tanks and a hydraulic ram (similar to Gravedigger in S3). The flipper cant really flip 100kgs very well, but it doesnt need to as the design means anything caught by the flipper will be rolled over to one side.
SRIMECH: Via weapon.
NOTES: Components shock mounted for protection vs. spinners and impacts
STRENGTHS: Difficult to get a grip on due to the shape
WEAKNESSES: Has no real way of damaging its opponents
S28-400s, underpowered flipper and medium armour? This bot is seriously UNDERweight :proud:.
Also, the weapon, you mention a pnuematic flipper powered by hydraulics? Something is either pnuematic or hydraulic (Id go pnuematic here). Also, if the weapon cant flip 100 kg, hows it gonna self-right you? Go for a more powerful weapon to begin with.
Fire And Ice
WEIGHT: 110kgs
DIMENSIONS: 75 x 55 x 22 cm
SHAPE: Parallelogram wedge
COLOUR: Flame red and yellow at front, icy blue and green at back.
DRIVE: 4 LEM130 motors running off NiCd packs at 36hp driving steel-reinforced rubber tracks.
SPEED: 16mph average, 25mph max (rarely used as it is difficult/impossible to turn at this speed)
GROUND CLEARANCE: 10mm at sides, plating extending below both wedges giving 1mm clearance on whichever side is down (if that makes sense...), 23cm at rear.
ARMOUR: Sides are 5mm hardox, front and rear are 10mm hardox, with the top and underside being 4mm titanium.
WEAPONS: Mainly relies on speed and ramming power, but also has two 20cm diameter diamond edged sawblades, one in the centre of each wedge (a la Angel Of Death from S2) powered by S28-150 Magmotors to around 3500rpm. The saws spin upwards to have some lifting effect as well.
SRIMECH: None, but runs inverted. Has spike strips on the sides to prevent stranding.
NOTES: Armour and components shock mounted to reduce impact from all things large and spinny.
STRENGTHS: Good speed and power, good against spinners
WEAKNESSES: Tracks vulnerable to axes
I believe the shape can better be described as invertible box with wedge at the front and an inverted wedge at the back, I know I hade some difficulties understanding it. VERY good rambot concept. you should make the ground clearance underneath the wedge 0 mm, otherwise theres no way youll ever beat a skirted robot. Guess this robot would be about 110 kg, but if someone says it needs to lose weight, perhaps you can power the saws by 1 MAG instead of 2.
Nidhogg
WEIGHT: 100kgs
DIMENSIONS: 95 x 55 x 37 (47 inc weapon) cm
SHAPE: Elongated triangular pyramid with steep rear and very shallow front, with a flat bit on the front edge and 2 cutouts in each side panel for eyes
COLOUR: Dark green and brownish roughly chevron patterning, fading to blood red towards the front. Weapons are gold coloured with flame red spines on the arm.
DRIVE: 2 Leeson M1120046 motors run at 24v from 4 NiCd packs driving 2 wheels, with a ball caster just behind the forks in the nose
SPEED: 14mph average, 20mph max
GROUND CLEARANCE: 0 at front due to forks, rising to 10mm at rear
ARMOUR: 4mm Hardox (7mm in key areas) on front, side and rear panels, 3mm aluminium baseplate
WEAPONS: Hydraulic crushing arm (constructed of hardened steel and aluminium alloy) at front driven from a LEM130 pump at 3000psi, giving 9 tonnes of force at the ram and 4.5 tonnes of force at the tip. Also has Haardvark-style lifting forks at the very front run from an S28-150 Magmotor and a lead screw capable of lifting 200kgs.
SRIMECH: Via the weapon, which has decorative spines to assist in self righting. Spikes at the rear prevent the robot getting stranded.
NOTES: Components and armour shock mounted for protection against large scary spinny things. Eyes in side of robot serve as targeting lasers (they dont actually target, they just look really cool)
STRENGTHS: Can cause a lot of damage
WEAKNESSES: Slow at self righting
Complicated weapon system, I cant really say how heavy this is, possibly about 100 kg.
147
WEIGHT: 100kgs
DIMENSIONS: 105 x 60 x 40 cm
SHAPE: Wedge with flat back
COLOUR: Green on the front (thanks to the felt) with brown wood-effect sides and rear
DRIVE: 2 S28-150 Magmotors running from 4 NiCd packs at 24v driving 2 wheels
SPEED: 15mph average, 20mph max
GROUND CLEARANCE: 0 all around due to a hinged plate on the flipper and side and rear skirts, 10mm underneath
ARMOUR: 7mm Hardox on front (covered in 2mm green felt stolen...uh..borrowed from actual snooker tables), 4mm Hardox at sides and rear (covered in 1mm fiberglass made to resemble wood), 3mm aluminium baseplate and under flipper to deter inquisitive pointy nasty spiky things.
WEAPONS: High pressure pneumatic rear hinged flipper, consisting of the entire front plate of the robot, running from 2 rams and 2 2kg CO2 tanks, giving about 20 flips per fight. Also has a 50cm long steel pneumatic ram at the rear, running from 1 2kg CO2 tank at low pressure, painted to resemble a snooker cue (complete with chalking) which can punch through thin (2mm) titanium but is primarily there to right the robot if it becomes stranded.
SRIMECH: Via weapons. Sides have fibreglass moulding and spikes to prevent stranding.
NOTES: Has several snooker balls (1 cue ball, 4 reds, 1 yellow, 1 blue and 1 black if anyones interested) screwed to the top part of the flipper that not only look good but prevent opponents driving off/over the top. Internal components are shock mounted to reduce damage.
STRENGTHS: Powerful flipper
WEAKNESSES: Flammable (oh yes...), no real damaging weaponry
Spot on I guess :proud:}
Welcome Joey, I must say that before I even read into the bots themselves you write very nice comprehensive stats.
Heres a question Ive been considering, if I was to have a nice 10cm + thick block of a dense wood (say oak, teak or similar) mounted and bracketed against a hardox back plate, how resistant would it be to high powered weapons, and more importantly, how likely would it be to get weapons lodged in it?
My thinking is that particularly ontop against crushers and axes it could work quite well as logn as it is supported to a poitn where it cant sheer or splinter.
Heck! Well done Joey! Those are very nice stats - It took me several months before I got my stats sorted out, but you did it almost instantly! And welcome to the forum :mrgreen:
I make it 100KG. the bar is 2000 millmeters. 8x8x8 is length times width times height. The bar have 8 teeth on the both sides of the bar. The bar is power by a linear actutaor.
Thanks for the welcomes guys :mrgreen:
Regarding Gabriel, I might give it a complete overhaul because Im realising I may have underestimated how much it is possible to cram into one of these things...Ill post some revisions later.
And if I add a hinged bit and make F&Is ground clearance zero, should I be set?
Joey; It doesnt HAVE to be hinged I think
Andre; if the length is 8, the width is 8 and the height is 8, than what is 2000?
Also, do you know the difference between a bar and a disc? Bars usually dont have more than 2 teeth
Doesnt it? I though hinged plates were easier to get under other robots with...
And Ive made a few changes to Gabriel, which has made an unnatural mutation from an underpowered flipper to an unrealistic axe:
Gabriel
WEIGHT: 100kgs
DIMENSIONS: 100 x 50 x 35 cm
SHAPE: Elongated triangular pyramid with steep rear and very shallow front
COLOUR: Black with yellow and black chevron highlights on the joins and around the weapons.
DRIVE: 2 S28-400 Magmotors driving 2 wheels running off 6 NiCd packs at 36v
SPEED: 14mph average, 20mph max
GROUND CLEARANCE: 0 at front due to spring hinged nose, rising to 7mm at rear
ARMOUR: 3mm aluminium baseplate, 7mm titanium armour on rest of body (7mm hardox in critical areas and edges).
WEAPONS: An electrically powered axe, running off a C40-300 Magmotor and a Mortis-style linkage. The axe is 90cm long, weighs 9kgs and has a tungsten tipped head shaped like Excaliburs in series 3, capable of penetrating 5mm titanium and denting hardox.
SRIMECH: Has electric linear actuator powered Steel Avenger type arms (only located within the robot) on either side near the back for righting, while spikes at the rear prevent it being stranded on its back.
NOTES: Components shock mounted for protection vs. spinners and impacts
STRENGTHS: Difficult to get a grip on due to the shape, weapon could be effective
WEAKNESSES: Slow to self right, so-so armour
EDIT: Added actuators for self righters
(Message edited by joeychevron on February 21, 2008)
Martijn, robots in the real world use hydraulic rams for Full pressure pnumatic use, since pnumatic of the shelve rams are not capable of 1000psi operation. Therefore Joeys use of a hydraulic ram is not wrong.
of course, the use of a hydraulic RAM does not indicate the use of a hydraulic system, youre right Leo :proud:
and for that, you are right too Joey, Gabriels initial weapon is possible :proud:
Well, I think that Joey should go for the new version of Gabriel as there arent THAT many axe robots about, so he should bring in a new axing bot into the FanFic world.
Is there a very good reson why the new one wouldnt work? Ive noticed the dearth of axebots too...
Paul; you are right when you say there are less axes then there are spinners, flippers or rammers, but fact is, the original Gabriel was a FRONT hinged flipper, and those are even scarcer than axes are
Joey; not sure if the Mags will survive 36V, other than that, youre doing a real good job
the quality of your vapours surprises me, it makes me think you put a lot of research, not only in robotics, but also in VAPOURrobotics, the sole fact you made your tracked machine 110 kg rather than 100 indicates that youre very well aware of what were doing here :proud: