You need a licence for that in the UK. That's why they made the flame pit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattsdragons
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You need a licence for that in the UK. That's why they made the flame pit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattsdragons
ah, thats why we cant have flame throwers :)
IMHO, for what its worth, I don't think an active weapon rule should be enforced. I understand the FW melee's full of rambots is boring, needs faster ones (Annihilation, Stiff breeze, Satanix (when it works), PITA and Pillow Torque), but they are the staple and starting point of almost all FW builders.
Its been commented that they get lost or not seen well in that arena. Any chance of having barriers that drop down a more FW-freindly height ? Pull out spring bolts and they drop down sliders.
And make the arena even more flipper friendly? I see your point though, from the audience's point of view the feathers must be out of site half the time.
Just having a quick look at Youtube and found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JzoCddElwo
Look at how much FW's have come along in the last 4 years.
Aye - sweet FA. I met most of those during the champs. We wish we were that interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by PJ-27
thats the year block of wood came 4th :D
As far as I can see, you can separate robots into three groups: Boxes, Flippers/Axes & Spinners
Re-Introduce Spinners: Flippers/Axes become much less efficient and get destroyed, thus leaving a lack of incentive to build one. Boxes, the now more effective class become much more popular. Bad
Ban Boxes: Majority of featherweights are no longer allowed to compete, leaving only a select few. Bad
Re-Introduce Spinners & Ban Boxes: Flippers/Axes become much less efficient and get destroyed, thus leaving a lack of incentive to build one. Spinners become the prominent weightclass, yet still destroy each other. Bad
Do not Re-Introduce Spinners and do not ban Boxes: Flippers/Axes stay the prominent group and the incentive remains to build these more entertaining group. Boxes remain to be a starter group for beginners, and good ones can still be entertaining and effective. We have three, held in balance weightclasses. Good
For me, the answer does not lie in banning or re-introducing weightclasses, but with working on what we have at the moment.
You make a god point, if we were to ban boxes, then that would leave about 3-4 FW robots to compete. That's not entertaining!
ban box's.. including mine. There boring.
get everyone to build mahoosive spinners... its the only way
How about this for a compromise:
The feathers with weapons are split into two heats as normal and all the non weapon feathers names are put into a hat.
The first six or eight drawn out are split into two groups with three or four going into each heat.
This way boxes get a chance to compete but you don't end up with fights dominated by them.
What say you guys?
Mike.
Can't believe this is still being discussed.
Alan has said he's going to run a similar format to is, where each fight contains all the robots and they score points. Winner comes from that.
Plus any robot which is being boring gets attacked by the houserobot.
Sorted :proud:
in a nut shell there jonno :)
I haven't spocken here yet so this is my opinion:
No spinners as that would be crazy and some people dont wont their non box robots being destroyed :crazy:
Dont ban boxes at all beacause thats how most people(I beng one) start off at.
I think we should limit to what they can do.
Making a min speed rule of 8mph.
They cant win trophys at Robots Live and RR events.
Make them look cool: Flames, objects(Like Ceri's ninja sheep), awsome paint jobs.
Make them not to have metal armour; It makes it more intresting and what the audience want DAMAGE!!!!
limiting speed is a bit ott what makes boxes entertaining when they are is their sheer speed limiting it is one hard to enforce and 2 bad for the whole purpose of what Alan was talking about
people have said about lowering the weight limit for boxes,...tbh i think this would have to be drastic ie 7kg or less as its easy to build a box with little weight. however doing this does limit the motors etc you can use and the boxes will still remian and be even slower and boring
What is there to gain from reducing the weight for rambots?
Yeh sure it would discourage people from making them, but for half the people they build rambots because they're starting out so lack of choice, and the other half are people that use the full weight limit to it's up most potential and make very powerful, fast rambots, Satanix, 540, Bonx etc....
There's no way Bitza could have taken on the spinners at the 2011 Champs if it didn't weigh the full 13.6kgs.
personally I find limiting the weight of boxes a real odd idea
as it is right now, SOME boxes still fall in the very entertaining category solely because they can use the weight they don't invest in their weapon, in stronger motors and a sturdy wedge of sorts, which allows for some potential spectacular ramming action.
If you take that extra mass away from the drive-train, literally EVERY box will become boring.
yeh thats what i was saying i too disagrre with the lowering limit as an idea
Here's somewhere I can manipulate things, I formerly announce:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hard Time
The Twn Trwn memorial prize for best decorated featherweight robot in Kidderminster 2011!
Bit long & it's just an idea thus far. If this works, we will have the best looking dull boxes in the world!
ceri, you cant give it to yourself with your ninja sheep! :lol:
Feather dusters..........by far the best decorations for any robot :)
Naaa!!! Slightly rusty black boxes ftw!!!!
I think rusty stuff on robots looks awesome, haha.
You'll like Bitza 2 then!
Do you mind! I had a spider picture on it too! very nice it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattsdragons
Anyway, I'd be out the running and still showing you all up. Prove me wrong - get decorating!
I consider Rust more dangerous myself.
Just to bring some diversity to the discussion, here is the list of robot types from the RioBotz tutorial, since so far we have just been talking in terms of HP systems, spinners and Rambots.
Of those we can use:Quote:
rammers, wedges, lifters, launchers, thwackbots, overhead thwackbots, spearbots, horizontal spinners, sawbots, vertical spinners, drumbots, hammerbots, clampers, crushers, flamethrowers and multibots
Rammers (Rambots/Boxes)
Wedges
Spearbots
Thawkbots
Overhead Thwackbots
Multibots (Cluserbots)
Lifters
Launcher (Flippers)
Hammerbots (Axes)
Clampers (Grabbers)
Crushers
Half of that legal list doesn't have active weapons and a third of the total list are banned already.
are cluster bots banned in all weight classes?
cluster bots aren't banned in any weight class
I thought that with modern flippers anything really light would go through the roof? especially with heavyweights.
heavyweight clusterbots aren't banned they're just not allowed to fight flippers anymore. as most heavies are flippers most people tend not to build them
Is that rule the same for FW clusters?
no is the answer to the question
Matt read before you postQuote:
Originally Posted by jonny
To misquote George Orwell:
All robots are equal
But some robots are more equal than others.
Four wheels good, Weapons better.Quote:
Originally Posted by anukhet
Well as a direct result of this thread I have now set out to make my first feather with an axe instead of a lifter. It's got four wheel drive too, so you better be scared! It's made of chopping boards! Terrifying right?! :mrgreen:
not really, chopping boards are pretty good for armour
I haven't read all this topic (got tired after reading the first six pages) but my opinion is there are not enough EFFECTIVE non-spinner weapons so people are forced to build boxes rather than waste money on an ineffective weapon. So I think you have to allow more types of weapon like egg- beaters and blunt bar spinners; these weapons don't tend to make shrapnel which need a strong arena but just hit other robot hard.
I also disagree with putting loads of robots in the arena at once, instead I think put in 3 or 4 robots and put up some inner walls to make the arena smaller.
yeh, the RL/RR arenas is way to big for feathers, and smaller inner wall would be better, and also, with less robots, the audience can keep up with it, rather than loads of robots, where no one knows where to look
They know were to look it is at the robot with the big green wheels :mrgreen:
Watch any video filmed from the audience on U tube :D :D
And still it never wins :sad:
I beg to differ, I won 2 fights at the O2 with it :)