fine no KE
same mechanism as archangel of the abyss
less batteries
smaller pneumatic rams
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fine no KE
same mechanism as archangel of the abyss
less batteries
smaller pneumatic rams
So...now youre stealing from other vapourbots? Thats just so wrong.
cause no one has ever done that one before chris lol
Theres a difference between unintentional and deliberate.
no it wasnt invented by alex he just used it
what you are saying is like saying im stealing by using a pneumatic ram
(Message edited by neontetra23 on July 17, 2008)
Ah, but a pneumatic ram is NOT from a vapourbot.
neither is that walking mechanism
You said it was from ArchAngel of the Abyss. Thats deliberately copying.
He can use another robots system of movement, provided he fully understands it and has a reason for copying it as opposed to using his own...but from what Ive been asking Ben doesnt seem to understand how it works or how much it would weigh, and I repeat what I said earlier about keeping it simple.
(incidentally, I asked Alex over MSN how they system worked, and after many diagrams it seems to be borderline on shuffling)
Where can I find any links to this system?
Chris, I understand what you are saying, but it is like me saying It has the wheels of Storm II when I mean vulkalon coated wheels. It not like I snuck into Eds workshop and took its wheels off to copy them.
(Message edited by leorcc on July 17, 2008)
In case of vapourbots I dislike seeing things like same mechanism as archangel of the abyss.
Alex invested an amount of time in coming up with the srimech, no matter how simple it is, and after that he invested time in explaining how it works.
With your solution Ben, you basically say just see what Alex already did for me
Leo, I understand, but Storm 2 is a REAL robot, ArchAngel of the Abyss is a VAPOURbot. Theres a difference.
To be fair, Alex didnt invent the mechanism...and its not as if stealing things from other vapours is all that bad (hello, Mr Paramagnetic LOX Box), its just when you do it without fully appreciating things and just duct tape the parts together then theres a problem. You cant exactly talk, Chris, considering how much originality is in your designs...
Replacing Pi to break up arguements in this thread and because Pi was crap I would like someone to check over... Exodus!
http://strickenone.proboards99.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=teamww&thread=371&p age=1http://strickenone.proboards99.com/i...teamww&thread= 371&page=1
Incidentally, what is the maximum operating pressure for nitrogen?
I dont think having interchangable angled wedges is really going to help - it falls in the category of a wedge is a wedge and stating the angle isnt really going to give you advantages or disadvantages when battles are written.
The other thing is that with fully vulkanised tracks, you will need some serious batteries to get you through a full match because your motors are going to be drawing more current to fight the friction when turning, and that might take it overweight with some setups, especially when you consider the current needed for hydraulic pumps.
Otherwise, quite good :)
Max operating pressure is something like 2400psi, but the FRA rules prohibit pressures higher than 1000psi.
(they also prohibit nitrogen for some reason, but us vapourboteers ignore that bit :proud:)
Thanks, Ill probably keep the wedges anyway just to make it more interchangeable:proud:
Joey, I know my designs are hardly original by any definition of the word, but I do know which REAL robots they come from. I dont try and pinch any ideas from existing vapourbots without knowing which real robots they are based on first.
Long story short, I think it would have been better if Ben had found out which real robot has a mechanism closest to ArchAngel of the Abyss, and stated that. Theres a logical difference if you ask me.
Liam, I would leave the axe alone, the 480kg of force on the ram is not going to be of any use.
I disagree with Joey on the interchangeble angles, it does help against some opponents. Only you probably will just use the 30 degree angles in daily life anyway.
Leo, I have now replaced the axe with lifting forks :)
And for everyone that has ever answered my consistent questions, thankyou for doing so because I know there are millions:)
Speaking of which...
What exactly is a non-attached ram, and are there advantages/disadvantages?
A nonattached ram is basically a Gravity style flipper where the ram pushes the flipper upwards without being attached to it, and the flipper is retracted by either gravity or bungees, or both.
The main advantage would be more power, with the disadvantage of more weight and the fact that it only really works on rear hinged flippers.
fine i will use a different mechanism
A very small mechadon based walking system
(Message edited by neontetra23 on July 17, 2008)
Which is...?
A non attached ram can be lighter, since the cylinder head can be made lighter. A FP ram that has its arm attached, will get the force of the piston and the weight of the flipper arm stressed upon the cylinder head as these forces try to pull the cylinder apart.
i dont see why a non-attatched ram would not work with a front hinged flipper
Of course you dont...Leo shall explain.
(Message edited by kodster on July 17, 2008)
Well you need to retract the front hinged flipper or it will flop forward and stay there. You could do it but then you need so much bungeecord its ridiculous.
oh, ok
are all the problems fixed on ulto, the bot is bigger(1 metre), the arm extends past the body, the walking mechanism is fixed and the weapon is now powered by a perm 132
How is this for a potential house robot?
Close to Paradise
Type - medium house robot, weighing about 250kg
Weapon - The main weapon is a Husqvarna k1250 cutter, with a 7.8hp petrol engine with a harden blade designed to cut though Hardox armour, the entire unit is mounted into an inner cage so that the vibrations caused by hitting stuff is transferred within the inner cage. The secondary weapon is the machine€™s speed and shear power.
Drive - 4 wheels which weigh 5kg each, with a layer of rubber on the outside, powered by 4 Lem 200s at 48 volts, with electronic traction control to make sure this house robot doesn€™t spin it€™s wheels when powering away.
Chassis and Armour - the chassis is made from steel, with some Hardox panelling on the side, the Hardox is connected by a number of bolts and locks so that it€™s unlikely it will be damaged. The rear end of the machine is weighed with lead and with lead placed at certain points on the chassis to give the robot a near perfect 50:50 weight distribution.
Speed - 26 mph+, who knows what will happen if we put full-power onto an empty runway what speed it will get up-to. It gets up-to speed rather quickly.
Shape - See picture, but it€™s a kinda box, with rear shunting plates and a curved top
Srimech - Nope.
Ground Clearance - Enough for a crafty flipper to get in and flip the beast, zero at the front, and feeding robots into the saw blade of doom *cue evil laugh*
Anything else - Was going to be designed to be a normal 100kg machine, until I changed my mind, stuck on more weight and a bigger petrol engine for the saw.
Dave...
1) I know the Husqvarna brand of chainsaws, but what does the k1250 look like?
2) Hardox thickness?
3) Batteries?
4) What picture? :proud:
5) I actually think youd want a srimech :proud:
Looks good otherwise :proud:
there are also now 8 teeth on the body and 16 on the 360 wedge as well as having 5 more weapon attatchments:
1) a tazbot style lifting arm
2) a tazbot like arm with panic attack style forks at the bottom
3) a hardox lifting scoop
4) a Mortis style lifting arm
5) an Atomic like lifting weapon
Getting better, hopefully my first good adddition to Team Carnage Is A Virtue
Ben, can you gather all information on that particular robot and post them in one post? I am not going to check stats by flicking back and forth between messages, and those 3line messages are not making it easier to follow what you are on about.
The arm is now 120X4X4
There are now 4 more attatchmentts making a total of 14
1) A Hardox Forklift Arm which is 15X5X3
2) A Small Hardox Wedge which is 20X15X5
3) A Curved Hardox Wedge which covers 45 degrees and is 10X25X3
4) A Curved Hardox Wedge which covers 90 degrees and is 10X50X3
5) A Curved Hardox Wedge which covers 180 degrees and is 10X100X3
6) A Circular Hardox Wedge which is 13X15X5
7) A Hardox Scoop which is 20X20X30
The Other 7 attatchments dont use the original arm they are connected to the turret and all arms are 120 cm long (without attatchments)
8) A Tazbot Style Lifting Arm
9) A Tazbot Style Lifting Arm with Panic Attack Style Forks at the bottm which are 35X20X1
10) A Mortis Style Lifting Arm
11) An Atomic Style Lifting Arm that narrows at the top and the wedge is 5X25X5
12) A T-minus Style Lifting Arm
13) A Techno Destructo Lifting Arm
14) A Toro/Ceros Style Lifting Arm
Fine All Info Here:
ULTO II
Shape: a bowler hat with the rim being a 360 wedge
Colour: Blue for the body, Green for the 360 wedge and orange for the teeth and flipper
Speed: ?MPH
Weight: 200KG
Armour: 5MM Hardox
Drive:?
Power 10 NiCad Battlepacks @ 36V
Locomotion: A Small Mechadon Like walking mechanism
Ground clearance: 3MM
Turning circle: 0M
Size: 100x100x35 the wedge is 5CM tall and protrudes 7CM
Weaponry: 1) The outer shell spins and is powered by a Perm132, it has 8 2cm teeth on the body and 16 1cm teeth on the 360 wedge
2) 2 Identical lifting arm protrude 120cm from a small Tazbot style turret the top of the robot and go down to the floor at right angles, they are powered by a 140X180MM pneumatic ram
Each is powered by dual 5KG Co2 bottles, it has 14 attachments:
1) A Hardox Forklift Arm which is 15X5X3
2) A Small Hardox Wedge which is 20X15X5
3) A Curved Hardox Wedge which covers 45 degrees and is 10X25X3
4) A Curved Hardox Wedge which covers 90 degrees and is 10X50X3
5) A Curved Hardox Wedge which covers 180 degrees and is 10X100X3
6) A Circular Hardox Wedge which is 13X15X5
7) A Hardox Scoop which is 20X20X30
The Other 7 attatchments dont use the original arm they are connected to the turret and all arms are 120 cm long (without attatchments)
8) A Tazbot Style Lifting Arm
9) A Tazbot Style Lifting Arm with Panic Attack Style Forks at the bottm which are 35X20X1
10) A Mortis Style Lifting Arm
11) An Atomic Style Lifting Arm that narrows at the top and the wedge is 5X25X5
12) A T-minus Style Lifting Arm
13) A Techno Destructo Lifting Arm
14) A Toro/Ceros Style Lifting Arm
Srimech: The Flippers
Strengths: Powerful Spinner, Powerful flippers, Weapons synergy
Weaknesses Heavy, Quite slow
There, Phew!
A lot of tournaments will have limits on the number of setups you can use, generally around five.
Also, is there a purpose fo all these different arms - realistically are all of them necessary? Obviously its very tempting to use multiple setups but quite often youll probably never use 2/3 of them. Id personally try and take it down to one of the wedges and the scoop and one or two of the lifting arms and explain WHY you would use that weapon.
For example on Achilles I have the pnuematic setup and the hydraulic setup - the pnuemnatics is used for most things, but the hydraulics are used for facing rammers because it means I can get them off the floor to remove their traction, but hydraulics arent really suited to fighting anything else as much as the pnuematics are.
Theres no point havign weapon setups just because you can (something I learnt with Slammer) because if you have redundant setups and you arent winning then its just wasted.
i can do what i want
That answer is so wrong in so many ways Ben, you should really rethink that last statement.
Ben, precisely what situations are you planning for with all those attachments? Can you give me a list of why you need each one, an opponent (real or vapour) they would be good against, and why with that particular opponent you cant use any of the other similar arms?
I suggest you rethink the design completely, as it looks considerably overweight even with the walker weight bonus.