Riiiiight...well, it seems to be okay...now. :P
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Riiiiight...well, it seems to be okay...now. :P
Sorry Paul, I didnt do it for Kody or anyone else so Icant do it for you.
Can somebody check Gulp 2.0 please?
http://strickenone.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=teamww&action=display&thread=355http://strickenone.proboards99.com/i...isplay&thread= 355
Can you use weapons from other robots, like Razers claw and Panic Attacks forks?
(Message edited by neontetra23 on July 14, 2008)
Theyre not exactly copyrighted. Loads of robots have crushers, loads more have lifters.
i mean exactly like them
There is no rule against it. It means that the weapon itself will be just as powerfull as the real deal, if the robot frame or armour can take the load that is.
However, I would advise on making up your own specifications, and base them on existing robot weapons. For instance, Gravity 3 (the one in series 7) has a 100mm x 180mm ram. you could make yours 120mm x 180mm, that makes it more powerfull (5.5 tonnes as opposed to 4 tonnes) without too much of the downside (weight).
You could do the same on all kinds of vapourbots. Since vapours do not keep account of things real robots must take into account (metal fatigue, reliability, survivability, ease of maintenance) vapoursbots can get away with a lot more than real robots can. So real robots tend to keep the powers more in check a bit.
I think I€™m going to try a SHW Clusterbot:
Name: S.U.C.K.E.R P.U.N.C.H
Part 1
Name: S.U.C.K.E.R (Strange Underdog Can Kill Everything Robotic)
Shape: Box
Colour: Lime
Speed: 15MPH
Weight: 80KG
Armour: 6MM Hardox
Chassis: 3MM steel box section
Drive: 2 LEM130s @ 36V
Power: 4 NiCad Battlepacks @ 36V
Locomotion: 2 Titanium tracks with a urethane-rubber coating
Ground clearance: 1MM
Dimensions in CM: (LxWxH) 45x70x20
Weaponry: 2 5KG Spinning disks from the robot Dragonstrike each powered by an LEM200, attached to the robot by A-frames made from 4MM steel box section, each A-frame has a caster on each side at the point
Srimech: Invertible
Strengths: Powerful weaponry, Strong tracks
Weaknesses: Quite light, High ground clearance, Tracks are open to axes and crushers
Picture: Up soon
Part 2
Name: P.U.N.C.H ( Powerful Underestimated newbie causes havoc
Shape: Box
Colour: Light Orange
Speed: 15MPH
Weight: 80KG
Armour: 6MM Hardox
Chassis: 3MM steel box section
Drive: 2 LEM130s @ 36V
Power: 4 NiCad Battlepacks @ 36V
Locomotion: 2 Titanium tracks with a urethane-rubber coating
Ground clearance: 1MM
Dimensions in CM: (LxWxH) 45x70x20
Weaponry: 2 5KG Spinning disks from the robot Carnage each powered by an LEM200, attached to the robot by A-frames made from 4MM steel box section, each A-frame has a caster on each side at the point
Srimech: Invertible
Strengths: Powerful weaponry, Strong tracks
Weaknesses: Quite light, High ground clearance, Tracks are open to axes and crushers
Picture: Up soon
They are linked by a cable designed to snap when they pull in opposite directions
...right!
A few problems here, actually more than a few...firstly the weight of both is 80kg. If theyre a clusterbot, that means the total weight is 160kgs, which is a little bit overweight :proud:
Secondly, you really dont need to steal the exact discs from real robots, just saying a spinning disc is the weapon will do. Because its from a real robot wont make it any more effective or better...besides, Im pretty sure neither Carnage or Dragonstrikes discs are 5kg in weight :proud:
Thirdly, you dont need to state a chassis unless its really needed - like if youre Aaron and youre explaining how your robot can survive its own hits :P Also, with a steel chassis, 6mm hardox armour, at least 30kg in motors each and tracks, they would be considerably overweight at 100kg, and at 80kg...well...you get the point.
Theres smaller problems as well, like how is 1mm a high ground clearance? If theyre tracks, technically the clearance is zero...also, 4 NiCad packs will not power tracks on LEMs for five minutes, even without the weapon.
In short; could be considerably better. :proud:
I also like to note there is a (retired) vapour called Suckerpunch already. This is turning into a strange habbit you have Ben, nearly every name you come up with has been taken (kinda).
Meh, since this is an acronym Id say its not THAT much of a problem...
And besides that, I stand by everything Joey said :proud:
Could someone have a look at the last 3 editions to my vapour team please?:)
Robot Name: Forza
Shape: A cone (like Typhoon 2), but with the top 15cm cut off
Weight: 110kg
Length: 85cm
Width: 85cm
Height: 35cm
Motivation: 2 x internal titanium vulcanised tracks
Power: 2 x S28-400 mags at 24v, 9HP
Armour: The whole shell is 4mm hardox, and the base is 7mm HDPE
Weaponry:
1) This robot is an FBS, but the top doesn€™t spin (where the point is cut-off). The rest of the 48kg shell spins up to a maximum 4000rpm via 2 LEM-130s at 36v, when at maximum rpm it can deliver a 200Kj hit, but it would self-destruct so it is kept down to about 2400rpm, where it can deal out 125Kj. The shell is covered in 15 hooked blades, each made entirely of tungsten and weighing in at 1kg each, they are all welded as part of the shell rather than surgically attached to stop them coming off, also there is plenty of shock proofing to protect from this weapon
Speed: 15mph
Ground Clearance: 8mm
Turning Circle: 0
Srimech: There is a linear actuated bar on the top of the robot, the part that doesn€™t spin
Colour: The shell is painted all the colours of the rainbow in sickeningly bright and vibrant paint, and all the blades are sparkling gold, so that when the robot spins it looks very beautiful (and might make the opposition drivers throw up)
Strengths: Very powerful weaponry
Weaknesses: High ground clearance
Robot Name: Pi
Shape: Box with a small wedge at the front, but this is not visible under the discs
Weight: 100kg
Length: 65cm
Width: 75cm
Height: 15cm
Motivation: 2 x internal invertible CNC Aluminium wheels with vulcanised tyres
Power: 2 x S28-400s at 24v
Armour: 4mm hardox all over, 5mm titanium skirts
Weaponry:
1) Twin 15kg each discs at the front of the robot, each powered by an S28-400 at 24v and providing 25Kj each, spinning inwards towards each other and a combined 50Kj hit, each is made of hardox and has two Hypno-Disc style tungsten teeth with serrated edges, welded on as part of the discs to stop them being ripped off
Speed: 15mph
Ground Clearance: 0 at the front due to low 1cm titanium wedge under the discs, effectively 0 at sides and rear due to hinged skirts that flop over if the robot is inverted
Turning Circle: 0
Srimech: Invertible
Colour: Black bodywork with an evil eye on each disc
Strengths: Double weaponry
Weaknesses: Not extremely powerful by vapour standards, in weaponry and in drive
Robot Name: Hercules
Shape: Reverse wedge
Weight: 110kg
Length: 80cm
Width: 90cm
Height: 40cm at top of wedge, sloping down to 20cm
Motivation: 2 x front internal Drill-Zilla style shuffling feet
Power: 2 x S28-400s at 24v
Armour: 8mm titanium on sides and rear, 4mm titanium on top, 4mm hardox front and wedges
Weaponry:
1) The main weapon is the front, vertical hardox disc, drilled with speed holes and weighing in at 35kg and spun by a LEM-200 at 48v, it has two tungsten teeth, curved to rip with serrated edges they are welded on as part of the disc to stop them coming off easily, the disc spin upwards to flip as well as rip and deals out 86Kj per hit to cause some serious damage, the disc is not higher than the front of the robot so when flipped it won€™t hit the floor
2) The front wedges are either side of the disc to allow the blades to come through the middle and strike opponents
Speed: 15mph
Ground Clearance: 0 at front due to wedges, 8mm at sides and rear
Turning Circle: 0
Srimech: On the top of the robot there is a linear actuated arm
Colour: Bright green with red dashes
Strengths: Powerful weaponry
Weaknesses: Ground Clearance at sides and rear
1. they are custom 5KG disks that look like the real thing
2. 2MM chassis and 4mm hardox
3. Doesnt it get an extra 10KG for having tracks?
clearance is now zero and ill will change to a better type of battery like... Hawkers?
and the disk is actually from Kishar not Dragonstrike, WHOOPS!!
(Message edited by neontetra23 on July 14, 2008)
I dont think two Hawkers will provide the energy you need either, although youd have to ask Leo about that. Id go for something like 6 NiCad packs or an engine to drive the weapons, which would let you get away with less batteries. And it gets an extra 10kg, yes, but theres still 50 other kilograms that are unaccounted for :proud:
A 5kg disc is also slightly pitiful in terms of inertia and damage compared to the weapons most spinner vapours use, which are in the region of 15-25kgs. May I ask why you want discs that are exactly like the ones on those robots anyway?
they look cool
And you cant come up with cool designs yourself?
with GC we mostly talk about the clearance of your body, a box in this case
1 mm isnt high by any means, 0 mm makes you unmoveable
in the end a disc is just a cylinder with some teeth, theres nothing wrong with your disc looking like a certain other disc, but directly copying it is a little odd to me
As for the part about Hawkers, that depends on the type of Hawkers you mean. There are many different Hawker batteries out there.
Hawkers are basically the best of the best in Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) batteries, but that means they are heavy.
I still use a couple of 17Ah Hawker Oddeseys in Mantis.
Liam, Typhoon 2 was a lot higher than 35cm, and the selfrighting bar would have to be insanely large to work (T2 didnt have a selfrighting device because of that). You would be better off by just attaching a bar on the spinning part that just beats the robot upright when you spin it.
For the record, the original Leprosy had a self-righting mechanism, and it was a full body spinner.
im not saying a self righting mechanism is not possible on an FBS, but on a cone shaped robot you will always end up on your side, not the wheels.
Tengu used to be conical (or at least bent conical) and I struggled for years to get it to self right, using big polycarb halos to rebalance it back onto its wheels, or an umbrella like strimech. Eventually I just made it a short cylinder and stuck a bar srimech on - far easier.
I just think that they look cool, is there anything wrong with that?
Nothing at all. If you want to use them that is your choice. However, 5kg is too little mass in a disc weapon for a heavy (Dragonstrike and Kishar are both featherweights by the way).
I know tht weights and sizes are difficult to get right, specially if you havent built a robot before. This game is not easy to do when you just start out, but as you go along you will find it will get easier since you will know what you can and cannot do from experience.
Is there a Mega HW class?
I think Leo you have misunderstood what I mean, which is my fault as it isnt clear enough in the stats. What I meant is the robot would be 55cm tall with the point, but the top is cut off so it is 35cm tall, would that be OK?
So in other words its nothing like Typhoon 2. :)
Basically it is a cilinder shape but tapered in as it were. Well that is possible, its nothing more or less than a Shrederator with a sloaped side or a Megabyte without the bar on top.
Yeah, pretty much. Thanks:)
*Goes to reword it*
quote:
Is there a Mega HW class? No, you try lifting 150kg in and out an arena and you will know why.
There was an event in the states that had 390 pound robots, which is about 175kgs. I think thats the highest theres been, but trying to start something similar in vapours wouldnt be too good because most people focus on the heavyweights and would have to design completely new robots for it.
There is good reason those weight classes are not popular and never have been. Even in the Heavyweight class some people would rather see the limit go down to 80kg again. I for one think that the 100kg heavyweight class is the highest sensible weight class for back and limbs, provided you have a teammate or 2.
fine, so how do you suggest i get S.U.C.K.E.R.P.U.N.C.H inside the weight limit with the disks weighing 15kg?
Well for starters Id lose the second disc on both machines and stick with one on each. Even 100kg heavyweights like 13 black had to accept less armour to accomodate for the second disc.
ok only 1 disk
well thats a start. now you need to reduce your armour as well.
Hardox is heavy. 6mm with the dimensions you give, you are looking at 45kg of armour alone, 50 without the holes in the armour to poke the disc and wheels trough.
3mm hardox
ok, so you are now reducing the armour to about half, that makes it 22.5kg. Lets for the sake of argument take 22kg.
armour 22kg
disc 15kg
2x lem 130 6kg
1x lem 200 11kg
4x nicad 36V 10.8kg
add those up, you are on 64.8kg.
Then you still get gears, guidewheels for the tracks, tracks, electronics, and so on. Even if you do get 5kg extra per robot for tracks, I dont see how that would help you in this case, the tracks are just too heavy for a cluster. I think of you make your robot 2 wheeled instead of tracked, you might just get it down to 75kg per cluster side.
ULTO II
Shape: a bowler hat with the rim being a 360 wedge
Colour: Blue for the body, Green for the 360 wedge and orange for the teeth and flipper
Speed: 12MPH
Weight: 150KG
Armour: 5MM Hardox
Drive: 4 C40-500 Magmotors @ 36V
Power 10 NiCad Battlepacks @ 36V
Locomotion: A Cheeky Boy walking mechanism
Ground clearance: 0MM
Turning circle: 0M
Size: 60x60x25 the wedge is 5CM tall and protrudes 7CM
Weaponry: 1) The outer shell spins and is powered by a LEM130, it has 8 2cm teeth on the body and 8 1cm teeth on the 360 wedge
2) A lifting arm protrudes 40cm from a small Tazbot style turret the top of the robot and goes down to the floor at right angles, it is powered by a 140X180MM pneumatic ram
Powered by dual 3KG Co2 or Nitrogren (Cant Decide, Help!)(It also can be powered by the KE of the spinning shell, like warrior SKF), it has 5 attachments,
1) A Hardox forklift arm which is 15x5x3
2) A small Hardox wedge which is 10x15x5
3) A curved Hardox wedge that covers 90 degrees of the body
4) Another curved Hardox wedge that covers 180 degrees
5) A Hardox ring which is 13x13x5
Srimech: The Flipper
Strengths: Powerful Spinner, Powerful flipper, Weapons synergy
Weaknesses Heavy, Quite slow
Modifications for 200KG weight limit:
Another identical flipper on the back of the turret capable of creating 360 flipper when both use attachment #4
Two LEMs powering the shell
Thicker armour/shell
Let the Nit-picking begin
(Message edited by neontetra23 on July 16, 2008)
Right then...
1) You might have to explain the walking mechanism to me. Walking weight bonuses are a bit weird because of people insisting that certain methods of walking are in fact shufflers (Craig, Aaron and, uh, me :P) and just saying Cheeky boy walking mechanism is not going to help as I have no idea what it is.
2) You will not fit all of those mechanisms in 60 x 25, trust me. Gyrobot was probably the smallest heavy with a similar weapon I can think of, and it was 10cm larger, and wheeled. Youll need space for the as yet unknown walking mechanism, the clutch to transfer the energy to the flipper, and these weird attachments, and batteries, so think about at least a metre in diameter.
3) With 0 ground clearance, it wont move. You need at least 7mm under the body to be able to properly move, and preferably more.
4) The lifter...where do I start? :P I dont want to think about how you can make it run from the KE of the ring when its a 360 degree turreted weapon, that seems to be a mechanical impossibility. Also, with everything else, having it run on pneumatics may take it overweight, so drop that.
5) If the lifter protrudes 40cm from the turret and goes down at right angles, and your diameter is 60cm, you will be lifting parts of your own robot up. :proud:
To be honest, it looks like youve tried to create a robot to beat everything with little regard to complexity, reality, or peoples sanity :P You seem to be out of your depth regarding describing things adequately in this design, so try something a bit simpler.
Ben, first perfect the stats of your other bot before you start new ones. specially one with so many faults as Ulto II