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John,
I do this on a regular basis..
Cheapest crossing will always be Dover/Calais. Then you have around a 220 mile drive through France, Belgium and The Netherlands to Amsterdam.
Shortest route is Harwich/Hoek Van Holland, very short drive from Hoek to Amsterdam, but this is a more expensive option.
The other option is Hull/Rotterdam. But this takes an age and is not very cheep either.
(I always go Dover/calais and drive it!)
Geoff.
Depends from where you come John
If you come from the south of Dover, Dover is the best bet. Dover-Calais. When you take nightboats, they are way cheaper than during daytravel.
From high up north, Hull-Hoek van Holland is expensive, but easy going.
From the midlands and centre of the UK, Harwich Hoek van Holland is an option, but I do not like that glorified bus mated with a casino and a 3th rang hamburger restaurant.
We are looking at Hull to Rotterdam. But means we arrive at 8am. Does this give us enought time? If not is there any camping the night before?
What day David?
Also possible without heavyweight: fly. From airports around London to the venue in about 3 hours. It is sometimes cheaper than the ferry.
ok well from midlands will take dover calais
220 miles or km ? take its miles
see you all there :)
John
8645t3 or 4 dont know yet lol
It was going to be Friday morning. If not we will have to come on Thursday morning and find somthing to do for the day (six flags any one?).
Now that is a damn fine idea David. Count me in!
Just dont try looking for Six Flags Holland, you wont find it. Its called Walibi World these days :).
Dont forget the Efteling in Waalwijk (South-Netherlands). Great for the kids !!! But even adults will find things to their liking there...
Actualy Efteling is in Kaatsheuvel. But very close to Waalwijk. Its about fairytales and mostly for little children. I think most roboteers will bring bigger kids.
After talks with Jonno, yesterday, it is clear that the Roaming Robots arena will be upgraded to cater all weapons including spinners. Then it will be used for Euro2005.
Schedule now is: Tuesday start setting up arena on site. Wednesday set up pits area. Thursday set up of seating/stands and tech checks. Monday taking down arena, stands and pits.
It looks like there will be tv coverage so work on your act and team colours.
From what day are participants welcome?
It looks a prime opportunity to have some parties with the roboteers.
Since so many allready indicated that they want to be there earlier and stay longer, the campsite will be available from Tuesday.
Thanks for the info.
So far we have 26 heavies, 3 middles and 20 featherweight entries. If you are planning to play along, please send in the application. If you haven´t received one yet, ask for it at euro2005@decarpentier.com
What a novelty to be a number 3 seed!
Entered so far are:
Pulverizer - Kan-opener E - Storm II - TAN - Sater II - Spike - Beast - Hard - Scorpion - Twilight - frollino - Hammerhead 3 - DisConstructor - Twister - Merlin - R-evolution - Livid - Snakebite - Velocirippa - Mighty Mouse - St. Agro - Iron Awe 4 - Tartarus - Hades - Brutus - Ripper - Terrorhurtz - Gravity 5 - Three Amigos
Steel sandwich - Blazer - Broadsword IV
DizzyTilly - Pushabilitilly - The turtle - Bonx - B2 - Horizon - Storm 2B - De Biel - Rampage - Scorpion Jr. - Batterbot - Alpha MX - G3 - Mini Mighty Mouse - Stiff Breeze - Ceasar - Pizzabox - YES - Elektra & Chrysothemis
hope the pulverizer boyz have got a new theme and a different cd
Booking ferries
I just booked a ferry on http://www.directferries.co.uk/http://www.directferries.co.uk/ leaving on 20-07-05 at 11.00 seafrance. (Dover to Calais). If you juggle your return trip you can get a return fare as low as £50. Note these offers end at the end of May.
Ian
Guys,
Johns employer has very kindly allowed him to use his works van for the European Championships, therefore we are in a position to take around 6 heavyweight machines plus maybe a few feathers.Anyone who may have problems fitting team + camping gear + robot + tools etc. into their car are more than welcome to let us take the robot off your hands for the trip. All we ask is that you can deliver/collect the robot to/from either Johns or my address plus a small contribution towards fuel.
If this could be of help to you, please contact me on teamscorpion@aol.com
Regards,
Geoff.
do you have room for the arena, it would make my life a hell of a lot easier !!! :):)
john
No, but I think we could probaly fit Pete, Stu, and the rest of the crew in the back with the robots if that would help!! :proud:
And of course theres room for 16 more on top. Youre in danger of getting John arrested for smuggling people OUT of the country and banged up for good when we come back home :proud:
Some people might be worried because there are no new postings about how the organisation for the event is progressing. Were silent because were concentrating on getting the job done and really have no new messages or announcements to make for the moment.
Aside from that, something that I do want to know for safety reasons is who has a valid First Aid certificate and might be willing to be called upon in order to assist when needed, please send me a private message if you do. So far we have one Dutch lady (Carlijn) and one Belgian (me).
These persons will be allowed access to my First Aid kit for any injuries, however small they may be.
at least one of the rr crew will be present as a fully qual, first aider.
John
probably need a fully qual, first aider for fixing my bot´s , also by RR ?
Spectators can order their tickets now. Prices are: ‚11 per person per day or ‚25 per person total event. Pay the right amount per bank on account number 42 89 85 270 (ABN-bank, Netherlands) to DJM Enneking, naming the number of wanted tickets, and name and address (so we can send them home to you). For international orders it is cheaper to use these codes: BIC: ABN AN 2A, IBAN: 0 42 89 85 270 (for information on how to use these numbers, please contact your local bank).
Roboteers that have not yet entered can do so by sending an e-mail to euro2005.decarpentier.com.
Roboteers will be camping (if they choose so) at Camping Het Amsterdamse Bos (http://www.campingamsterdamsebos.comwww.campingamsterdamsebos.com).
Apart from the European Robot Games 2005 there will also take place a LAN-party (see http://www.game-extreme.nlwww.game-extreme.nl for more info or entering the competition) and ABC Events (http://www.abc-events.bewww.abc-events.be ) will set up a car-tuning and motor sports event.
Ladies and Gentlemen.
Just a quick reminder to everyone planing to attend the championships. Please remember that you should hold a valid E111 certificate for emergency medical treatment in Europe.
Any certificates that were issued prior to 01/01/05 are NO LONGER VALID.
You can obtain a new certificate from your local Post Office.(ask for E111 application form CM1)
You may also wish to carry travel insurance in addition to the E111. Also dont forget to inform your car insurance company that you are travelling in Europe and if necessary obtain a Green Card.
Please remember that in The Netherlands it is compulsory to carry a set of spare bulbs for your car in addition to a warning triangle.
There are also very stiff penalties for being caught using a mobile phone while driving!!
Fighting Robot Association
http://www.fightingrobots.co.ukwww.fightingrobots.co.uk
Guys
Please be aware that an E111 form my not be used anymore (I am not sure about england but definately Ireland and a few other countries now do not use them). Instead there is a card which people obtain which is the equivelent but it lasts for 10 years.
If this information does not apply to either the Uk o the Netherlands please feel free to deleat this post and I appologise, however I thought it wise to tell you all what is going on in parts of europe.
Regards
Ian
quote:
the European Health Insurance Card will replace the E111 in 2005. If you tick the appropriate box on the E111 application form you do not need to apply separately for this, as the details that you have provided will be used to issue you with one automatically later in the year, prior to the expiry of your E111.
Copied from the DoH website
This does not change the fact that any certificates issued prior to 01/01/05 are NO LONGER VALID as posted above.
Marien has asked me to organise a couple of 8Ack sessions to take place toward the end of the contest.
RIAT will be heavies only but we should be able to getsome feather goal buttons built or adapted for this event.
Robots will need to be in blue and black or yellow and black. So that its easy to tell which clan their in.
Whos up for it?
Thanks Karoline.
I was actually more refering to this comment Just a quick reminder to everyone planing to attend the championships. Please remember that you should hold a valid E111 certificate for emergency medical treatment in Europe.
But I agree about them no longer being valid.
DRG Fight rules for the european championships.
Game
A game is held with a maximum 4 minutes. A game will be stopped early if 1 or several of the robots, depending on the game type, is/are no longer controllably mobile, or the circumstances can be no longer labeled as safe.
The game will start as the robots are placed at the spot in the arena appointed by the officials, and the participants stand on their marked place. After a clear start indication the 4 minutes commence.
If the robots get entangled without intention and can€™t get out of this situation themselves and it is not caused by electronic/mechanical failures, the game will be paused to release the robots from each other, whereupon the game will be resumed if all parties concerned agree with that. If this is not the case the match will be halted, and the decision will go to the judges.
The roboteers can stop the game themselves at any time by a predetermined method of surrender. This can be using a light and/or sound indicator, depending on of game type and what methods are available in the arena in question.
It is not permitted to engage your robot actively in the fighting with the remaining robots after your robot surrendered or was immobilized for more than 30 sec. Also the other participants are not allowed to inflict additional damage to the robot which has given up or marked immobile. This can lead to disqualification for the rest of the event and possibly also for a number of future events because of unsportsmanlike behavior, if the damage was intentional or disproportional.
If there is urgent damage (e.g. fire or an explosion) the game will be paused and the robot in question is removed as soon as possible and made safe outside the arena. Afterwards the game with the remaining robots will be resumed if all parties concerned agree with that. If this is not the case the match will be halted, and the decision will go to the judges.
If/when the 4 minutes have past, a clear signal will indicate this and the roboteers immediately must stop their robots at the point of where they are at that moment. Afterwards the decision will be taken by the jury. If the jury can not decide immediately, the jury may order the robots to demonstrate their robots mobility or take them out of the arena, where they may inspect the damage more closely. Afterwards the roboteers may take the robots to their benches, after they checked in there RC transmitters and removable link.
Judging of the fight
The game officials always have the final decision. After the fighting, a protest can be submitted, whereupon action can be undertaken at a later time.
Before the fighting the jury members must examine where there is already damage on the robot, so that these are not counted in the judging of the current fight. Scratches and paint damage do not count as damage but are indicated as cosmetic damage. Only structural damage is counted. In the fight, the criteria that count are damage, aggression, and the general impression of the control of the robot. A robot which retreats or backs out of the fight too much may result in deduction of points (the coward ness ruling).
Not attacking spinning stationary FBS robots does not count as coward ness and will not result in a deduction of points. Excessive FBS without actively engaging opponents will count as non aggressiveness and may result in deduction of points.
Mobility/controllability
If a robot is not able to move through the arena controlled manner it will be classed as uncontrollable. This can be checked by asking the roboteer to drive a figure 8 in the arena. If both robots become uncontrollable or immobile the win will be granted to the robot which was controllably mobile the longest. In case of clusterbots, if more than 50% of the cluster is uncontrollable or immobile win will be granted to the other robot.
Tactics
Robots can win by inflicting the most damage, getting the opponent in the pit, throwing the opponent out of the arena, or immobilizing the opponent.
Immobilizing
If the robot is not able to continue in the fight within 30 seconds, it will be marked as immobilized. This same ruling goes for getting out of the pits (30 sec max). Continuing the fight after these 30 sec can lead to disqualification for the rest of the event and possibly also for a number of future events because of unsportsmanlike behavior. After your robot is marked immobile, the jury or game officials will tell the teams in question. It is permitted to prevent another robot from getting mobile again (shoving the robot back in the pit for example) or to keep opponents off balance as part of the attack.
Overkill
Trying to demolish an opponent further, after they have been marked as immobilized, can lead to disqualification for the rest of the event and possibly also for a number of future events because of unsportsmanlike behavior. After disqualification the opponent will be awarded the victory and will go to the next round. Should the opponent not be able to continue, the opponent for the next match will automatically be awarded the victory (this is known as a €˜Byrun€™) depending on the game type. Immobility of the robot can be indicated by the jury, game control, and the team itself (`towel in the ring / surrender).
Hope to see you all at the championships in Amsterdam.
Oooh, theres some controversial stuff there....
Not attacking spinning stationary FBS robots does not count as coward ness and will not result in a deduction of points...?
How does not attacking something that could damage you if you attack it not count as being a coward ? What about not attacking a stationary non-fbs, why is that different ?
and
In case of clusterbots, if more than 50% of the cluster is uncontrollable or immobile win will be granted to the other robot.
... meaning you have to immobilise both parts of a cluster to get the win !.... Interesting.... (goes off to design things....)
Ed
http://www.teamstorm.comhttp://www.teamstorm.com
Whats the floor made of? Ply or MDF?
How are the middleweights going to fight? One three way is very quick but possibly the fairest. Will I need a second set of batteries (nomally I dont and a roll of bin bags suffices)
It will not be MDF but a plywood.
Im a bit disapointed in just 3 middleweights; its not really a EC then, is it? There would be more competitors in 6 kg class.
What about 3 three-way figths with points scored (4,2 and 1)? Add them to an end result to get a champion.
Not attacking spinning stationary FBS robots does not count as coward ness and will not result in a deduction of points...?
How does not attacking something that could damage you if you attack it not count as being a coward ? What about not attacking a stationary non-fbs, why is that different ?
This is intended for the FBS that have to spin in place cause they dont have any control over their robot while spinning. Just because the robot cant drive properly it is not justified for us to force the opponent to stick its nose in, the fight needs te come from both sides. Just like you dont have to drive on someones flipperarm if the flipper is stationary. The only difference is that the flipperarm is pointing in one direction (most of the time at least) and a FBS has a weapon 360 degrees around itself.
Regarding clusters: Yes, you would need to take out both clusters, but with 50% of your cluster gone you will be so far behind on points you will more than likely loose anyway unless you pull a serious rabbit out of the hat. Cause 50% gone means 50% damage.
Marien, the problem I can see with that, as well as being immensely complicated is that battles would be very much more about survival. If you could total an opponent early on then you could win the competition easier. Likewise, if you leave the two opponents to have a go at each other in the first round, you could hope for one of them to destroy the other.
Ply floor? Well the spikes looked good in small scale tests but I worry about the solid wheels due to the extreme forces that IV puts them through. Neighbours who have watched my previous machines trundle around the cul de sac have had quite a shock seeing the new machine. Its not just a matter of going from 24v to 36v but new batteries and speedos. Id better get both sets of wheels ready.
http://www.richardsuk.f9.co.ukwww.richardsuk.f9.co.uk
Another travel advice:
People who enter the continent through Calais are advised that in France it is obligatory to have an orange vest with reflectors in your car, like the roadworks people wear but without sleeves.
Holding a mobile phone in your hand while driving is illegal in France, Belgium and the Netherlands.
In Belgium you face moderate to very large fines when committing a road law offence -like speeding, not wearing the seatbelt or being under the influence of intoxicating substances- which will be payable instantly, that means that if you do not have enough cash with you a police officer will escort you to the nearest money outlet. When your speeding is really high they can even seize your drivers license.
Be advised that the maximum traveling speed is:
50 kilometers/hour or 30 miles/hour in town,
70 to 90 kilometers/hour or 43 to 55 miles/hour outside town and
120 kilometers/hour or 74 miles/hour at highways,
unless otherwise indicated by roadsigns.
I advise you to print this out and keep it at hand. Speedlimits are more or less the same in France, Belgium and the Netherlands.
The more or less bit could be expensive :-)
I trust that all drivers make themselves aware of the rules, no mater where they are going to or coming from.