ye the yr 11s and some yr 10s at my school had a RE exam today
hardest exam iv ever had and got a D and im at a catholic school LOL! i dont count the RE 1 tho as its me only D i keep it off things i have to fill in lol
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ye the yr 11s and some yr 10s at my school had a RE exam today
hardest exam iv ever had and got a D and im at a catholic school LOL! i dont count the RE 1 tho as its me only D i keep it off things i have to fill in lol
Haha, cheers for the essay Stu. Just for the record I got A* in RE/RS.
i went to college, got good enough grades to get to uni.. decided not to.. did an apprenticeship.. im getting paid for it and next year there paying my tuition fees and my time to do a degree.. experience + the paper work. Total win.
Heard on the radio business news this morning that the Australians are shipping iron awe out of western australia to china. How is it going to compete in the uk champs if its in china? or is it a cunning plan by other teams scared of its flipper?
Tom, as a catholic i really do hope you use your A* RE GCSE in life well
maybe become a priest?
what is it that you do dave?
Same here Dave - but too many years ago to mention.
Did a student apprenticeship from O-levels and got to College by getting distinctions in ONC - dont know what todays equivalent is.
Was paid full wage and all college fees, but like Jamie, all I studied was theory - the dis-agreements I had with lectururers really got me down although I passed all my exams. From doing 2 years practical work I was transferred to the offices and I hated every minute of it. So after 2 years I dropped out and went back to the floor and finished my apprenticeship. Quite truthfully I dont regret a thing, but if I was advising myself now I would talk me into completing the degree.
I was dismayed when a colleague of mine applied for a teaching post and the first question was what is your degree in not what can you bring to the position. Without a degree the conversation came to an abrupt end.
But not having one has not affected my working life - I have never been turned down for a job yet - and Im not being big-headed. Good tradesmen are extremely rare and at the time you could not be both, which sounds crazy now, but was the norm then.
One advantage is that when the engineers try to talk theory I can smell the bull****.
Jamie - stick it out, youre half way there, take a year out if you can, but dont give it up.
Back to you Swanny
Maintenance engineer.. do most things atm, had alot of training this year, but ive managed to skip most of it.. such as units like welding, turning milling etc all the basic stuff i already knew how to do.. im doing floating between PLC programming, industrial electronics and CNC work atm...(which is nice because i just fixed a nice CNC machine and theyve told me to run some test programes..robot parts lol) I work for LDV- the van company- kinda poo but they want me to be one of the robotics maintenance team for now, then they pay for me to a degree then i can do whatever i want after that..they asked me if id want to move to russia to design tanks.. said not really lol Its an alright job though, and has a decent pay rise every year im there lol but- as stu pretty much suggested.. an even bigger pay rise once im qualified
sounds good dave
i was going to do mechanical and electrical engineering and then you pick your best one at the end of the yr but my dads place didnt want me the fools! lol money was amazin as well i thought, was 10k 1st yr and then jumped up to i think like 22k during the 4 yrs
all the ppl who had dads there and tried to get jobs didnt and were the 1s who would get trained at college and at home by our dads so they missed out lol think there was 6 of us
my dad should of got a degree tho so he could of become station manager! he knows all the rubbish but hasnt got a degree but he likes the stressless life and thats what he has lol apart from living with me :P and my 3 sisters robbing all his money! i get nothing :sad: u should all tell him to start spending money on his only son and not the useless women in my house who should be doing the ironing cooking and cleaning! lol ill now get some abuse from the women on the forum :P but ye dad ull prob read this if u bother to and u should spend more on me :P
anyone believe in UFOs?
and did u no that as long as u put in ur right password 1st on this forum it will still pass it like if u get me lol
well if my password was password and i put in password123 it would still work
try it
Unidentified Frying Objects?
Actually Jamie the way we size pipes for a plumbing system in real life is to put the calculations into Hevacomp (or god forbid do them by hand). Get accurately calculated sizes (normally around 32-40mm) and then decide its 22mm pipe anyway because we always do that and its always ok!!
It also makes me laugh about how I tend to stereotype people who have different grades.
A 3rd, 2/2 or a 2/1 is ok for someone id employ to do proper work. People who I want to send out to meetings with clients and stuff. 1sts and phds i generally consider for the more geeky side of the business (computational fluid dynamics and environmental assessments etc.). Not saying anything by that but its perception.
I also think there is a gap in where a degree is important. Its important when youre going for a graduate position (obviously) and its important at the other end.
For example our practice is registered with CIBSE (The Chartered Institute of Building Services Engineers) and if no-ones a member of cibse or a chartered engineer we dont get it. Thus all the directors and associate directors need to have it or at least be very close to it.
That said I employ quite a few ex electricians who do very well. They have an education you cant teach graduates. They know how stuff goes together which is refreshing.
In saying that theres so few people in the industry, if someones got half a brain cell wed normally take them on.
Andy
Just stumbled in here and decided to post for the first time.
A very interesting discussion certainly and one which I have been turning over in my head for a while. Granted that I generally wonder if I right going to uni the night before an exam rather than when I have had a few too many and am dancing in a comical manner in the union.
Not having properly entered the (real) job market (I took a year out working for Rolls Royce and worked a summer for them a year later) I can only base my comments on what I have observed.
I would agree already with your comments Andy. I look around at the people on my course and can see clearly those who would be brilliant at throwing something into CFD and obtaining the optimum properties for a component but would be absolutely useless at selling something to someone.
I am aiming for the centre line, get the degree with all the fancy trimmings but also get as much practical experience in various different areas as possible.
If you are not sure about going to uni then I suggest you look into a program such as year in industry (http://www.yini.org.uk/http://www.yini.org.uk/). I got setup in my year out working for RR with them. Earnt a nice wage of 11k and got some real world experience which has proven invaluable in my studies so far. Through it I discovered that I hate office work and being trapped at a desk for 8 hours a day. Better to learn it sooner rather than 15 years down the line doing something I hate.
Some other advice I got from the guys I worked with,
-dont ever have kids
-dont ever get a morgage
-dont ever get a wife
-get a car but make sure you can afford to run it properly
Two was going about it, if you can get the work and degree at same time - do it... rather than get the qualification then try get work after.
I like what Andy said about what grade you get at uni. Though if someone got a 3rd hons degree, then they relaly did not give a damn and just got drunk every night ended up re sitting every exam and did bare min and if i was in charge of a company, i wouldnt employ them, Uni wasnt that hard!!!
Though if someone has a 1st, then yeah id be like hmmm are they a geek and no social life or what?
To the point im very much on track for a 2:1 degree, though if i pull my fingure out and work on this one last assignment and get a B instead instead of average C, i could get a 1st Hons degree. But dont know if i want a 1st coz i dont want to be brnaded as a geek, when im not, its only coz my dissy was so ace coz i linked it to something i enjoied doing - the Roaming Robots site and scored an A in it which is worth 2/5ths of my degree for reasons i cant be assed to go into details for.
But yeah its all swings and rounderbouts.
But yeah - at least go to Uni, its harder to get into Uni life after you have worked than it is to go into Uni right from A Levels/College!!
Mr Stu
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Stu,
some very successful people have 3rds. If you can go to the pub, party 24 hours a day and then still do enough to at least pass something. Also on the subject of whether someone gives a damn, why should they? were talking about 18-22year olds here and theres more than enough time to take things seriously later on. It also takes a lot of effort and character to get a third. I;d find it soul destrying having to resit everything and it does show quite a bit of character.
After saying what I said I just realised that I .....erm.........ho hum........got a first!! Whats worse is I got it part time!!
I normally make the excuse that you can do that with 3 and a half years in the pub and six months hard work.
Andy
(Message edited by widow twanky on May 15, 2008)
Stu, get the 1st mate. They may brand you as a geek but it doesnt matter when your above them flying in your private lear jet!
Little Johns got his own airline company already? :)
(Message edited by K_C_R on May 15, 2008)
Yea, unfortunately, they are only toy planes but still, pretty good going for a 16 yr old!:)
you have just told everyone my dads secret! he inherited it a few years ago
oi you, get back to revision!:)
ye im starting soon
3 hour ict exam tomo :sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad:
ye, all mine are 3hrs!
French listening exam in an hour :proud:
haha, funniest exam ever. GCSE ye?
Got an Applicable Mathematics exam in 45 minutes - its two hours long but theres a half-hour window between 3.30pm and 4pm when you can leave early if you wish. If my studyings anything to go by, Ill be outta there bang on 3.30pm :lame:
Then Im free to go home and work on my robot :proud:
free to work on robot eh. i now have a room in my house thats turned into my little workshop so i can tinker anytime. happy days :)
About to start my M1 exam. ahhhhhhhhh
Stu,
some very successful people have 3rds. If you can go to the pub, party 24 hours a day and then still do enough to at least pass something.
Again its sterotyping, the people i know who are getting 3rds are complete waste of time and so on. Im sure there are people who work their butt of to get a 3rd, and shows determination and have the right attitude to go far in life. again its all just sterotyping, like what we said about people who get a 1st. I think if i get a 1st it makes a mockory of the Uni system, coz i aint that bright and i hanvt put as much time into Uni work i should have done. All these Robot shows, parties, Theme parks, holidays and so on.
Good luck to all doing their GCSEs - fair play if you do well in them - i found GCSEs the most stressful time of my education in my life, learning all the subjects and different types of tests in all ways etc.
Mr Stu
you all seen the rangers riots last night?
there mad
some fan even filmed 8 min n he was right in the middle of the action just filming
thought all the rangers fans would of tried to stop him lol
the videos on the - the sun news paper website
dont think i would be allowed to post the link to the article but on the main page n prob will b for a few days
wow, in interesting debate on the normally useless swanny thread.... sorry shane youve lost it now!!!
My degree was a sandwich degree, and took me to Nissan to work in Bedford as a designer. myself and 3 friends all went for the same position, however when i left the intereview, i knew i already had it from how well it went... The reason, because i showed them i not only know the theory, i know the practical too, as i had had lots of experience with cars from my apprenticeship as a mechanic.
My friends had done a levels, maths, science etc... but never picked up a spanner in their lives!!
When i started RR, i actually took a year out after my sandwich placement against all advice....robots were at a cruicial point in my mind where there was an opening, and i made that decision.... i was determined, and did go back the followiing year, to finish my degree which was hard as all my friends had then graduated and i had to start over again and make new ones !!
I got a 2:1, i never would have got a 1st, i didnt put the effort in.
My only regret slightly was my first year where i took it too seriously, and should have partied more.... it was a pass or fail year and didnt count towards my degree mark but still i wanted to do well.
Uni changed my life, the same as stu has said, i went to uni never been away from home, never drank beer, nothing, and was shy. but boy did that change, and i made the most of it.
I wish i could do it all over again, but to think back comparing how i was then, to how i am now... i mean next saturday im heading to singapore all alone to go and teach 120 students for 5 days how to build robots etc.... back then id have laughed... or even cryed at the thought of it. Its all about confidence in yourself and uni gave me that !!!
John
I would have never drove all around the UK on my own living in hotels over summer going to Haven Parks ON MY OWN and doing robot stuff with Haven Fun stars and LOTS of kids if it wasnt for confidence building at Uni. I attualy partied more in my First year than i have this year.. but when we do go out this year, they are big nights.
Though all my years counted as i went a different route for my degree so all my marks counted, not like average degress your first year dont matter.
Aww i say this year - i only got 2 weeks left of Uni now. awwwwwww.
Was going to say same as John , this topic has changed into something a bit more meaning full than normal in Team Bud thread. lol.
Depending on the degree/subject depends on what is needed. When it comes to mechanics, design/ art/media even business then yeah exspeience is a big part.
Well ive managed to convince 3 mates of mine to do Uni than not go, as i was convinced to do Uni and glad i did. Its not just education!
Mr Stu
had ict exam today
the one what is meant to be on the harder topics i found alot easier then the one on easier topics lol
think ill prob have to retake the easier topic one some of the questions i just didnt av a clue lol need that A
I dont really take the classification of the degree as too much of an absolute indicator of ability, and of course not all 3rds were created equal.
There was a guy two years above me studying engineering who got an ordinary (a pass, but less than a third) and was invited not to come back by my college. He then was taken by Imperial to do Mech Eng and and came top of the year. Obviously an ordinary here does not map to a 1st at Imperial, so what was the difference? Well the volume and difficulty of work was reduced a bit, but sufficiently that it made the difference between the fairly binary options of either sinking or swimming, and whereas he sunk here, he very much swam there.
So based on this one data point, it would seem that your attitude to dealing with the fact that you cant possibly be on top of all the material given to you is perhaps orthogonal to your innate academic ability, and where you are in this coping space (in the mathematical sense) makes a bigger difference than than if you just project down to the ability axis.
Also, its not all geeks who get firsts. In one of the projects Im working on at the moment my partner came top of his year, and hes frustratingly, sickeningly normal. His first does not mean hes a geek, but it does mean he can do whatever he wants, pretty much wherever he wants to do it. Firsts open doors.
I dont think you need to go to uni to find indipendance.. and i know engineering students who look confused when you put a spanner in there hand..
Whys swannys thread got so interlectual? Dont seem right lol
woo goin to see pendulum tonight :)
it does make for good read tho
ye gives me somethin good to read as well lol
keep it goin
well which uni is best for night life and business n ict related courses?
liverpool, leeds, manc, sheffield? i wonna go up north - dnt rly wonna go midlands as i aint payin £3500+ for a room when my bedroom is like 30 miles away n north is better then south
I dont think you need to go to uni to find indipendance
I dont think anyone has said that you have to go to Uni to get it, but people who have said Uni does NOT help you with confidence/indipendance and life skills is far from true. Thats all.
Ive herd bad things about some of those Unis john.
John why not go to a Midlands Uni just so its easy to get to and from. Maybe better if your just a train or car ride away from home for your old mates/football/Robot stuff?
Mr Stu
2 close tho I think midlands r but depends on grades
i dont rly think theres a point in spending all that money on a room when i could come home everyday? but like i want a room in the dorms as then u get the experience n all the rubbish what comes with it - depending on my grades tho if i do well enough i might apply for aston business school but just gotta get the grades 1st lol
but would still see my mates in holidays n that n robots whenever - footy ill prob just try get into the uni team, most my mates r going to go to uni n most r looking at leeds , manchester and liverpool - the majority of the current yr 13s r going to these 3 unis as well - dnt no y think there just a popular choice for this area - and ye iv heard about bad news like there are a lot of burglaries n that - I don€™t think we will start to apply for them for a good few months and id guess my school will have a few assemblys etc about different unis
bout an hour an half for my house to manchester but i wouldnt be driving anyway when im at uni as thats just another bill lol theres coaches to birmingham though for i think like £15 so its not that expensive to get home but then thats like a 3 hour coach lol
i want to go but i also want to have an apprenticeship now just so i can get money n av a job but when most of my m8s go uni ill be gutted lol
My head hurts thinking about all this...