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theres no point lol ill just get moaned at
from what iv looked at on there people didnt understand why we needed one but that was 4 years ago so everyone now understands why we need one?
its only a light but if that makes me a gram over and i cant fight in the uk champs then goodbye to the light
Then you cant compete either.
then i go shopping in birmingham
we have a light on the spektrum neways - has anyone said i cant use that as my power light?
but if its upside down then that cant be seen
ill have to put a light on the bottom of the robot to
i think the rules should say that we need a light in every angle of the robot - we have to be safe now dont we
The Spektrum will only light up when there is a radio connection, not when there is power going to it. So no.
well can that be a remote on off light as if the light is off its safe ?
and if its on then alaive
no ok did not think so A light will be fitted
ans ps lets lock this thread ok :)
gonna have to get a nice big bright light then dad and have them at every angle of the robot
id like to make a proposal aswel - to make sure the robot is alive we need more then 1 light which can be seen at different angles of the robot
6.8.
All Featherweights, Lightweights, Middleweights, Heavyweights and Super Heavy
Weights, must have at least one surface mounted non-filament power light that is
illuminated when power is supplied to the robot. (i.e. when the link is in.) The power light
can be any colour but must be non-flashing and be in contrast with its surroundings.
It is easy to do, they dont easily get broken and take very little weight.
sorry shane, dont agree with you one bit their, for one i dont drive on the arena flipper, so that answers that one lol, and also beauty, hornet 2 or whatever i have come up against hasnt damaged a receiver b4, the first thing i do with my robots is throw it as high as you can if it still works after, then its fine.
kennys robot is very powerful and when he gets it under weight will be awesome, an over weight robot will cause me more damage than one in weight. Perhaps my robot just landed funny and it was bad luck?
but at the end of the day it has alot more power than other flippers i believe, and perhaps its so overweight was because of the extra bits requried for the power? im not sure as i dont know what his robot is made up of.
as previously stated not having a go at kenny, as it sounds as though it was a genuine mistake but if all robots were weight it would have come to light sooner, or if i knew what the weight was it would have been my fault for putting it into the arena with it.
it would be the same as putting your hw in the arena with my 135kg robot, and if i damaged your robot badly (with your extra armour for fun fights, taking you overweight) im sure you wouldnt be too impressed if you found out my robot was 35 kg heavier.
that is the comparison we are talking here.
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and john your telling me that, with your expertise of robot building, its not in your capabilites to fit a power light that will not break in every fight lol
i would just flip it oota adrian :)
I drive on the arena flipper all the time, its fun. :)
lets go to the ticket office and buy tickets for real street here.... you have obviously damages your reciever over time. mabee its been getting a little looser every time you have dropped it on the floor. i think its just a case of you being unlucky and your reciever breaking on that flip. is it possible it could have happened when you drop your robot on the floor, and kenny just finished it off. a little bit of extra armour wouldnt stop thinng like that happening. i would like a bit of extra armour so thor or thz can have a good go at envy. i am not talking about 35kgs worth either. if damage happenes it happenes and it does. i dont think there is a part in envy now that was in there at the 2007 uk champs. all due to damage from friendly fights. but then mabee i wouldnt have found all these faults if i didnt do so many friendly fights. i believe i now have a realible running robots still with minor teething probs but i really dont have the time and money to rerpair ali armour after every event. hence mabee a little bit of hardox here and there would help me and save time and money. come the competitions envy WILL weight 100kg mabee less. lets face it if your feather weight can withstand a flip from kennys robot then you are on the right track. if it hasent then you have a problem to solve. fighting ott robots mabee is a good thing cos then you KNOW you will be good for battle when the competition comes round
My question is regarding the 1000psi releif for low pressure systems.
i didnt think of it on the day so will ask on opinions now.
If you have a line between the regulator and the bottle (in this case a solid device rated to 3000psi) can the burst disc in the bottle (rated about 2000max i was told) be replaced for a 1000psi releif? or burst disc of much lower capability? this means that the bottle can never be over the rating of FP parts of the system, so would this be ok?
It would save alot of weight, and alot of space.
Burst disks in the larger CO2 and other gas bottles are at least rated at 3000psi.
But in paintball bottles the burst disks are regulary lower value, between 1750 and 2000 psi.
sorry double post
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i still believe its very coincidental tbh,it seems you know my robot better than i do lol. anyways however damage is caused, i still believe robots should be weighed for any type of competition, whether its a fun, whiteboard etc... then all roboteers know what they stand b4 they put their robot in the arena.
same as when a spinner is run, people are aware on the competition board that if they enter a whiteboard they can clearly see if a spinner is in their b4 hand, i think maybe the same should be their for overweight robots. all robots are tech checked for a fight, and their is a clear box to write the weight so i dont think their is too much more work involved.
fra build rules distinguish robot weight limits, which is exactly as it says A WEIGHT LIMIT.
the arena has to comply with fra guidlines whether it is a fun event or major competition, and i think this should be the same for robots.
i build my robots to the limit and whether it gets damaged badly or only slightly, i except it and it comes with the territory.
i havent got a problem with people putting extra weight on for friendlys to save damage i just think it should be made aware to all.
I think Adrian is spot on with this.
Adrian.. Kenny is getting that robot within weight whilst keeping the same flipper setup. So your going to have to get used to it if your going to fight it. It didnt weigh 19.5kg.. he weighed it again at work and it was around 15.8kg.. still way over the top, but not when you consider his flipper arm was 3kg.. He will easily get it into 13.6kg with abit of thought.
Kenny is getting that robot within weight whilst keeping the same flipper setup
:sad:
na seriously, good it will be an awesome machine, beauty needs some stiff competition in the flipper department lol.
unfortunately im moving on to a hw, shame as im sure my spinner would have had a good go at him lol.
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lol ye adrian this years going to be good and i dont think we will dominate this year - if spinners do as well as they can then i can see them winning
the one thing i noticed with kennys is that it took a while for the ram to come down - im sure he can sort that but thats a main problem and could cost him a few fights - main thing for flipper tho is to get them out - i like beauty as we just put robots over the side of the arena and not 10 foot in the air which makes them bounce back into the arena
and adrian you cant have a year off! ill have to find someone else to have pre event banter with! lol and you have a new spinner and cluster to fight with
dont worry john we can just banter with the hws :lol:, my hw is a flipper (i know getting boring in my old age lol), started gathering up the metal for the framework but im taking my time with this one, and looking towards the end of the year tbh before i start competing again.
will still come watch a few competitions though as a spectator so i can always boo you from the stands. :wink:
what you going to be doing with your bots
when we get the heavy as good as beauty then i will banter with them - i just new i was going win with beauty so i could :P
beast should be ready for uk champs - need to make it not spin as fast some how - new ram is here n gettin few bits replaced
whats this business your setting up aswel lol
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If you have a line between the regulator and the bottle (in this case a solid device rated to 3000psi) can the burst disc in the bottle (rated about 2000max i was told) be replaced for a 1000psi relief?If your regulator is not directly attached to the bottle, you require a seperate pressure relief device. Even with a burst disc of lower pressure, you still require the equipment to be rated above that of the bottles certification.
The bottles burst disc should not be modified.
I tried that one with my dad to Grant, he was not happy!
:sad:
you have a dab hand for a milling machine, you should make a PRV to go instead of the disk!
john,
original prodigy chassis that finished 3rd at uk champs has been stripped and binned.
new spinner is currently being converted 2 single tooth with robochallenge, a friend is having that,
Clusterbot and Kahn will probably live on the shelf in the garage incase i want to bring them out one day in 2009.
will be having a sort out mind, got some sabertooth 25a controllers, psu, pro peak chargers x 2, will b on ebay one day, when i get round to sorting it all out (sold as job lot). (no emails please, havent got time at the mo), will post on for sale section.
set up a company supplying promotional robots, for advertising and educational purposes (bit of fun and if i can earn a little then great) also used for fundraising etc... we have 1 suit, 1 fully working robot, 1 being stripped and started again (should be finished in 4 weeks), currently awaiting some cnc work to be completed. once we are fully up and running will put on some pics and stuff, more details.
With regards to the tech check day I have made a website that is password protected, and it can form an online tech check reports database for all event organisers.
The intention of this database is to provide all event organisers and their technical crew in particular with information on previous tech check reports from different event organisers. This way tech checkers will know what to look out for when a particular robot attends their event when it hasnt been to one of yours before. All information is shared in strict confidence and is for use of the FRA Event organisers only.
Basically you can look up robots in the database, add reports to it, or create new robot entries. If there has been a historie of to be improved or failed techchecks, they will be easy to spot.
It has an export function, so you can take the data with you to the venue before you leave.
Of course I will not force anyone to use it, but I can see the value of a system like that and I hope others will do too. The big benefit is that normally you would not see the tech check results of other EOs and they might find something you missed or vice versa.
Those that I havent spoken to about this, you can contact me via email at leo@computerclub.nl so I can provide you with a username and password. If only just to take a look.
I have just updated the tech check database with alot of new entries.
Theres been a few events with no updates though!!!!
Just updated my robots for colchester event. Grant I assume that you got permission for all those robots you have added.
At burgess hill I will be asking as part of the sign in procedure if people wish their robots to go on the database.
You dont need permission as there is no personal data - The comment made was false.
This is purely for event organisers - it also states on our signup pages and most others that to signup you must agree to be used for advertisment or websites.
I completely read over this this morning. Although I do not believe that the Data Protection Act is applicable directly, I still agree that asking permission is the right thing to do. You are placing information about an item someone can be traced back to online, even if it is behind a password protected site.
Also in accordance with the Data Protection Act if someone wants to see if his/her robot is in the database, all they need to do is contact me and I will provide that info of course. If someone refuses to have their robot in that database for whatever reason that we will abide by as well. This database is a tool to be used by the event organisers to improve overall safety, not a point for legal issues to derive from.
Iknow, but my point was that roboteers agree to be used in things like this when they sign up for the events. They tick the box(s) in the signup page - this then gives permission to use just their robot in databases such as this and the robot database on RR/Tony booths and others websites.
ok, as long as we are all clear on this.
Given this is strictly for no other reasons other than safety at events, i wouldnt be happy to allow a team to run unless they were willing to be on the database. It should be part of the FRA membership maybe?
cant see anyone having a problem with this, if people are offended then they should get there robot to fit in with the rules
wouldnt mind seeing a screen shot of what the database looks like and what information is in there? just to be nosey :P
also i think if there are robots which have problems then i think they should be contacted and reminded of the problems as when were not at events the robots hardly get touched as theres not enough time to sort them and sometimes forget to sort some problems out
@lj: Well thats up to the event organisers of course. If someone registers for their event, a simple lookup will show if there was a problem in the past and a friendly reminder could be sent.
I dont think it is a problem, Ive so far not had a single question about what is put into it.
The only information in there is:
Robotname;
Weightclass;
Teamname;
Country;
Eventname;
Passed/Failed/To be improved;
Tech check comments.
So no email addresses, phone numbers, adresses, names of persons whatsoever. I would have left out teamnames and countries if I could but I know some robotnames are double, 1 in a country, 1 in another country for instance.
i cant see a problem as there is now a massive database under construction on the roaming robots site. if your robots on there then why not the tech checkers. personally i think its a good idea.
i wouldnt be happy to allow a team to run unless they were willing to be on the database.
That is the start of the slippery slope James. If this is something that you intend to introduce as a condition of attendance I think you will be asking for trouble from some very respected roboteers who, like me, believe very strongly in our freedom of choice.
Im sorry but I could never ask the FRA to even think about making it a condition of membership.
I fully appreciate that this DB is a good idea and may be a good contribution towards safety, well done to Leo for producing it.
But dont try to force it on people, especialy by using what I concider to be a back door route I.E. As put by Grant earlier it also states on our signup pages and most others that to signup you must agree to be used for advertisment or websites
That is not on!
To make this acceptable you will have to sell the idea on its benifits (which are many) also in the end you must have an opt in policy.