im going OPEN then ;)
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im going OPEN then ;)
If you take away boxes there wont be any featherweight championships....its a great starting point for new roboteers and if hooked, they can move on to bigger and better things ! What would be a bonus is if there were readily available CO2 ram kits, like the one I have just bought from Mario. Without guys like Mario what would I do ?! And looking at the enthusiasm of Tom, Andrew, Michael, Shane, Will etc. etc., without (safe) boxes to begin with, where would be the next generation of roboteers ? And what would the shows be like without the kids ?
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Does this mean that they have banned flippers, as most of the flippers have a wedge shaped front.
There are always L shaped flippers but that may mean that probably only Mini Mighty Mouse would comply with this particular ruleset :wink:
ban pushers? 4 words
over my dead body
I dont think there is any move to ban pushers and would certainly oppose one if there were. The NERC rules are not relevent to us and I think there are some in the US who regret introducing them because they split the feather class into two sub classes. A good pusher vs a spinner makes an excellent fight and a weak pusher against a spinner is good for the audiance who always like to see bits coming off robots.
The proposed weight increase to 13.6 kg for feathers is a good idea and I hope it is approved.
Whilst sitting here reading this thread, I was just thinking. Instead of trying to ban Spinners and Pushbots (edit - sorry, Full Body Hammers!) ,why is no-one rewarding those bots that do reach a certain criteria of entertainment value?
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What would be a bonus is if there were readily available CO2 ram kits, like the one I have just bought from Mario
they are available just ask Mario and others ;)
but its tiem and exspensive.
CO2 is nice, but there are plenty options to use electric weapons, like axes, lifters, even flippers even though not as easy, crushers, you name it.
Its amazing what people can do with a motor, some gears and an arm. Warrior SKF is a nice example, all be that a heavyweight.
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But the majority of feathers are boxes.......i say build more spinners........they are what the crowd wants to see.....and allow more spinners at more compititions to!
i say build more spinners
Its very easy to build something that will spin a mass up to a high velocity. The very tricky part that few (none that come to mind) have been able to master is being able to dish out the damage again and again without taking damage themselves. Thats what puts most people of along with their sheer danger.
and allow more spinners at more compititions to!
With the new arena rules from the FRA which in my opinion were needed an event organiser now has to shell out a large amount of money to be able to build an arena that can safely contain a spinner.
Simple weapons are not hard to build. A motorised axe is actually surprisingly simple and whilst it is hard to get anywhere close to the power of a pneumatic axe *thinks about beta* they are effective weapons.
little spinner used to be reliable, until its bar fell off that is!
Tom
True gary.
How did you protect the electronics of typoon 2?
I mean there must a big shock going trough there when you hit something.
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i say build more spinners........they are what the crowd wants to see
Really? I never tuned into Robot Wars to see spinners. Alright a few were pretty good (Hypnodisc, 13 Black, 259, etc.) but its descended to little boxes with spinning implement attached.
If I wanted to see that, Id put my laundry in the washing machine. At least then Id get something productive out of 45 minutes!
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But the majority of feathers are boxes......
I keep saying: Less stick, more carrot. If you cant win the prize for dishing out/ taking damage there has to be another target/goal to aim for.
Robot Wars had multiple prizes: Best design (Im so used to saying Razer after that!), Sportsmanship(Again, Diotoir!), Best Engineered, Most Original Entry and Best Newcomer awards. Never mind it running the trials!
Do you get what I mean? For that matter, is anyone even reading my ramblings?
Dan,
The way that we were able to absorb impacts was to have a nylon buffer ring around the base of the bot and when the disc hit something the entire disc was able to flex and hit against the side of the chassis.
It was an effective method but we still suffered small (self inflicted) bits of damage in the competitions we entered.
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I keep saying: Less stick, more carrot. If you cant win the prize for dishing out/ taking damage there has to be another target/goal to aim for.
So what do you propose? Introducing the prizes you refer too? Or did you have something else in mind?
Oh and, yes I read pretty much all the ramblings from everyone. :)
Thank you, Leo. I feel guilty posting my comparatively worthless opinion when no-one appears to read it!
I was just saying the UK (I couldnt speak for the rest of Europe)already has various competitions for damage: UK championships, Winter tour and just about every event thats going.
What it doesnt have is a competition designed to bring out the weird and wonderful machines. How about a tournament where the rules are restricted to elements that are designed to entertain the audience?
Say as basic entry points: [*]Walkers and any other machine with an implement that works on 2 or more axis. Any design that will be distinctly recognisable from back row of the audience. Any design of a functional artistic merit.(Eg, Razer, The Creature, Dreadnaught etc.) Any robot that carry a clearly visable weapon. (Ie. Large and stationary for most periods.)[/list]
That kind of thing. What I think we need is like a Character cup, where visable flamboyance doesnt have to be sacrificed for damage protection.
Any thoughts, anyone?
Ceri, such ideas are far from worthless !! At least you are creative and this might be a much-needed boost for the community.
Im in favour.
Its some food for thought, I like it.
I like it, but how many flamboyant robots is one person going to build after they get terrorhurtz-ed a few times, (just used terrorhurtz for an example).
And I am pretty sure the UK champs had a new comers award, don€™t know about other events though.
Sorry if I sound like I am putting you down, I was just thinking of major implications that would occur.
Tom
I think that this is a good idea because the audience love the robots which are different.
At whirlpools first event it was virtually unnoticed by the audience in its competition fight but luckily the judges thought we did well. So for the next day we fitted strips of bright blue LEDs down the sides which were radio controlled. We didnt do a lot in the final but the audience loved the lights and as a result we got second place.
This just goes to show that being a bit different can help to do well action=view¤t=100_0880.jpg
And for those of you who havent seen Whirlpool with its lights on have a look here; http://s216.photobucket.com/albums/cc274/will_teamocean/Whirlpool/?http://s216.photobucket.com/albums/c...an/Whirlpool/?
Will
i put some small nice looking lights on prodigy,i think stuff like that looks really cool, but after one round with little spinner, lets just say their was no need to remove them myself. i want to do something again though at some point.
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Itd be nice to run the original Savage Toaster. Itd look great, but unfortunately not for long against even mild opposition. Two a side football maybe? Mind you that can get pretty rough...
Hi John,
You could always bring the Toaster out for some demos , did you ever get the Toast popping up properly
speaking of interesting designs, anyone else seen this site?
http://www.cb1.com/~lkcl/SpiderBot/http://www.cb1.com/~lkcl/SpiderBot/
er 10 Lems? and 8mm titanium? is that guy made of money?
Never did Dave, but it wouldnt be particularly difficult. Apart from the fragility of the shell the thing that really did for the Toaster was the difficulty of getting it to self-right. It currently does a fine job as a large coffee table in our living room!