why would it? the only reason i have not build a drum spinner is the fact that i cant use it im proper fights more than once a year and i believe that this is stopping many other people building spinners aswellQuote:
Originally Posted by Danjr1
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why would it? the only reason i have not build a drum spinner is the fact that i cant use it im proper fights more than once a year and i believe that this is stopping many other people building spinners aswellQuote:
Originally Posted by Danjr1
Snap, but I'd wanna build a vertical bar spinnerQuote:
Originally Posted by mattsdragons
i want to make a ig-88 style vertical spinner :)
I think spinners should be allowed, but only once at each event. For example, say each show has 2 featherweight fights, one of these should have spinners in (along with other bots), and the other doesn't. That way, if roboteers are willing to take on spinners, they can fight them, but if not, they are still able to fight at least once each show. This would be a comprimise for both audience and roboteers as the audience want to see damage, but roboteers don't want to fix it.
now if that could be bought it, that would be the best of both worlds
let's not.
reason is jonny?
I guess we will see but if this did come in, personally, I would have consider any future investment
alternatively, you could just add 1 extra fight to each show that is just spinners in the arena, that way they will only damage other spinners.
i reacon if we want spinners, we should all contribute say £100 towards an arena
that could work if we get enough of us :)
As much as I love drums, any notion of exempting them from the current no-spinners arrangement is a complete no-no. They may not be as powerful as some of the bigger discs but if you under-estimate what they're capable of, then you're in trouble. Drums send stuff upwards, and the weakest part of the current arena protection is the net roof. There may not be as much energy transfer in a drum impact (therefore bits don't fly as far) but robots such as Boner have shown that the debris from drums can be just as dangerous.Quote:
i think we could un-ban drum spinners since they give robots a good chuck yet dont do the same damage as the horizontal or vertical disk/bar spinner
This isn't directed solely at you Matt, I've seen other posts mention about un-banning drums, but as far as I'm concerned, it's not a sensible option. Jonno is experimenting with low-powered, low speed spinners at the moment and that seems to be the most logical choice at this stage for integrating spinners without having to massively overhaul arena protection.
EDIT: Regarding having one whiteboard fight with spinners and one without, it still doesn't resolve the issue because in order to contain spinners, the RL and RR arenas need hefty upgrades that are just not financially or logistically viable right now.
very valid point jamie, even if we could get low powered spinners in, it would be a step in the right direction
I agree, it would be fun to allow spinners again, but everything considered, it's just not practicall.
The problem would be policing it
possibilitie of getting your bot destroyed/damaged once a year when competing to be the uk featherweight champion, ok. getting your bot destroyed/damaged every time you go to an event by an army of spinners (allowing spinners to fight at every event will increase the amount of them 10 fold) ever increasing in power competing to win event champ, no.
allowing spinners at every event will only discourage new builders and decrease the featherweights that turn up to events.
Also, if featherweight spinners where allowed, it would be pointless having house bots. For example RR's matilda wouldnt stand a chance, even low powered spinners would rip through its shell, and it would be a shame to lose such a cool house bot.
i do think we have to stop hiding from it, if we want this it wont be imidiate, and it will cost a lot for us, the roboteers. we will have to pay to get these new tougher arenas, may have to pay to enter events to cover the cost of transporting the arena, have to pay to build these machines, and we WILL have to pay to fix the damage that has been done to our robots.
its all very well us saying build us a new arena for our toys, now! but it wont be instant and it will be expensive.
Not everyone wants to make a flipper, and no other weapon is as effective other than a spinner. People will not spend money on something which is going to go into a fight at a disadvantage.
Previous champions have been rambots so surely that should prove their place in the arena
but, low powered spinners (SMIDSY for example) would be perfect :)
at £100 each that'd require 300 people, i doubt there'd be more than 50 people willing to £100Quote:
Originally Posted by blazerbotics
What is the difference between uk robot events which do not currently have that many spinner events and the american events which have very powerful spinners nearly every event. In the US builders can attend just as many events as UK builders, sustain damage and come back next event.
They expect to get damaged, they know they have to re-build and are used to it. In the UK we seem to want to protect our machines more, prevent damage and we are too complacent.
i'm not going to build a spinner either way, but i would not mind putting my robots against some insane spinner.
To be honest, I've spent nearly a year and a lot of money building my rambot to a point where I think it's half decent. If a rule came to ban it, I would be pretty much forced to quit
if spinners were run at every event i think most people would redesign/rebuild to create a borring well armoured box with a low powered weapon
@ Chris, if I remember correctly, someone on robot wars said, that in the US the fights are over a lot quicker because of their crazy and destructive weapons, whereas over here fights are a lot longer, and therfore are more entertaining. Just though I'd mention that.
sod it, get one of those low power spinners that roaming robots have, ill build a robot that has rubishy armour, it can get trashed.
DONE.
it thaqt a serious thing for spinner demos?
what?
Are they though? I watch quite a few youtube battles because I don't attend many events any more. I find myself skipping to the end of the video just to see who's won when it's an arena full of flippers and pushers. But if it is a video with a spinner, axe or other interesting/destructive weapon I tend to watch the whole video start to finish and look back a good bits despite of how long the battle lasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEAM ENIGMA
Longer battles are more entertaining for the builder yes, for an audience maybe not.
But aren't feathers meant to be a side-show? So if it is, the audience were generally never expecting to see them anyway? Surely a rule like this would be overkill for something that isn't even the main show? The point should be made that these are generally beginner robots or auxiliary to a team's heavyweight?
an idiot would now say get heavyweight spinners then :lol:
I helped to build one of the heavyweight spinners that was used for the test at Barnsley earlier this year. We were told that in order to run the discs had to be horizontal and run off of a speed controller so that we could easily restrict the power using the travel adjust setting on the tx. In the end we ended up running the discs on 7% power which still proved to be enough to cut through the 1mm steel on Batterbot (only just though).
Since that test we haven't really discussed running it any more but I would be interested to hear what the decision was as it would not take a huge amount of work to get Disc-struction running again.
The original plan was to get a couple of heavyweight spinners up and running against specially designed robots to be destroyed to please the crowd- this doesn't solve the problem with the featherweights I know but it could help to bring back a bit of damage to the shows in a reasonably controlled way.
Would be cool if possibly one of the more experienced members on the forum did a design study, just to see what would be possible nowadays in that respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by harry hills
Don't go on something that was mentioned on Robot Wars that is now seven years old or more and most likely not representative of today's combat. If you want a truer idea of what American combat is like, YouTube is your friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEAM ENIGMA
I'm not entirely sure why the active rule debate has become the do-we-bring-spinners-back debate, but there's a lot of truth to Chris's comment. Over here we seem far too keen to not sustain any damage, whereas the Americans seem to thrive on it! They also have lots of spinners per event, as well as regular events, yet still seem to maintain high builder attendances.
It wasn't long ago when every UK event permitted featherweight spinners, and although I wasn't really an active competitor at the time, I don't recall it becoming purely spinners v boxes. You don't need an armoured tank to beat a spinner either, HDPE is a god-send in the anti-spinner department. Or even just look at Bitza v LS4!
Not quite sure what point I'm trying to make now so I'll leave it at that.
willing to have a heavyweight chewed up aswell.
im offering my services now, if you want a robot built to be distroyed let me know and i will build one to get wrecked.
It's a shame people cannot get over the idea that to beat a spinner you have to build an armored box. What about clever design, deflective armour, new ideas. If the only idea you can come up with is a basic standard box then I don't see the fun in designing, building and competing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny
In the end we are not wining prizes, we are not getting paid and we are not on tv so why do we NEED to have the winning robot all the time. Why do we have to build the bot which will survive to the end? I think it's it's mainly to avoid damage, cut costs and play things safe.
Stoke the fire :D
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Originally Posted by robotic_ants
my time building and fighting robots has been met with very limited succsess, but i like it that way! compeating is fun! getting beat is fun, someones got to lose for someone to win and i would rather it be me than someone it matters to :)
i think if will could get disc-construction working and more impotantly, legal then it couls start some HW spinners comming back :)