How could I Improve pt 2

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Originally Posted by knightrous

Watch out for the magnets coming off the shafts, seen this happen with a featherweight using those Neumotors :lol:

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I didn't know there was one yet... ahh well, one (imaginary) magnet retaining kit coming right up :)

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Originally Posted by Metal Demons

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Originally Posted by leorcc

Why not take a page out of the Storm II playbook and use a geared down Neumotor for the arm?

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The kind of peak power that a high flow full pressure pneumatic system can deliver - even with a relatively small diameter ram - beats electric lifting arms all hollow. :p:

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Not necessarily. The trick is to keep the revs up. Starting the motor is what gives the delay, so use a clutch and there will be hardly any delay except the engagement of the clutch, not dissimilar to the delay an assisted valve like a Burkert gives . The thing is that you will have so little gas in your configuration that its hardly worth it.

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Originally Posted by leorcc

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Originally Posted by leorcc

Why not take a page out of the Storm II playbook and use a geared down Neumotor for the arm?

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The kind of peak power that a high flow full pressure pneumatic system can deliver - even with a relatively small diameter ram - beats electric lifting arms all hollow. :p:

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Not necessarily. The trick is to keep the revs up. Starting the motor is what gives the delay, so use a clutch and there will be hardly any delay except the engagement of the clutch, not dissimilar to the delay an assisted valve like a Burkert gives . The thing is that you will have so little gas in your configuration that its hardly worth it.

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Add a small flywheel to the motor, electronic clutch between that and the reduction box and presto, fast lifter/launcher.

A US Builder, Dale built an electric flywheel flipper for non-spinner featherweight comps. Build page for it here: http://www.wa4dsy.net/robot/overthruster-robot

It not overly powerful, until you remember it only uses a ~1kg flywheel @ 9000rpm with a very short flipper.

I only saw the building stage of Overthruster, thanks for the link.

Intriguous (bottom post)

Any way to improve Mr. Best Vapourbot 2009?

No, I don't want Mark's 'advice' for this.

Of course you don't need my advice, because it's perfect as is. How else did it win PTT6?

Anybody with a credible opinion? :P

Keep this version going as it is for a while until you start losing regularly with it and actually need to improve? :P

My problem with sauron is that you dont say what is powering some of your weapons, particularly the flipper which without gas isn't going to do much :proud:

EDIT: Is it just me or did that post just disappear?

ok let me post the stats back up so you can help me with some ideas

sauron
shape: tornado shaped (S7) but without the scoop
weight: 80kg, 100kg depending on set ups
armour 3mm thick titanium
wheels: 4 lightyear go-kart wheels
colour: black with a picture of the one ring on the baseplate
Drive: 4x 24v S28-400 Magmotors powered by 3x 3000mAh NiCad Battlepacks.
dimensions:0.25m x 0.85m x 0.75m
ground clearance: 0mm at sides due to skirts, front changes due to different set-ups
turning circle: 0m
speed: 14mph
weapons: AHAHAHA!!! The 1st bloodmage robot to have interchangable weaponry

set-up 1- 20kg static hardox scoop like tornado, is able to push up to 300kg

set-up 2- 10kg static hardox scoop like tornado, but with a 7kg electric axe with a 3kg terrorhurtz axehead, can smash through polycarb can put holes in steel and can even dent titanium and 5mm hardox

set-up 3- 8kg spinning drum which includes teeth, powered by a 48v LEM-130 at 2000rpm, at the front. It puts out around 50kj.

set-up 4- panic attack style lifting forks (S7 version) powered by a windscreen wiper motor that can lift up to 250kg

set-up 5- pneumatically powered behemoth (S7) scoop, which can lift up to 300kg

set-up 6- 2 10kg hardox static tornado scoops, with the rear scoop inverted

set-up 7- a storm 2 4 bar lifter powered by and astroflight c90 motor, can lift up to 200kg

set-up 8- electric tiberious style crusher, with 7kg of force at the tip

set-up 9- hazard overhead spinning bar, can rip into titanium and even dent hardox

set-up 10- skirts all over the bot, acting as a rammer and also a defence tactic

scrimech: invertable, but set-ups 2,5 and 7 can self right it, but set-up 9 it cant self right due to the bar making sure no wheels touch the ground
strenghs: 10 different set-ups
weakness: dont really know, i would expect a problem with each set-up but i dont really know what
bio: the 1st team bloodmage interchangable robot, designed not to only have the upper hand against many robots, but to also find out their weaknesses
win/loss ratio: n/a

ok can you suggest some ideas to sort out the set ups please as im a bit clueless on how to keep it on 100kg :P

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Originally Posted by joeychevron

Keep this version going as it is for a while until you start losing regularly with it and actually need to improve? :P

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Meh, sounds good enough for me. :P

Any others of my team that I should improve upon? (that includes other-weights) I feel the need to update...at least some bot. :P

dont worry about saurons weapon set-ups as mark has helped me with it

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Originally Posted by death robotics

dont worry about saurons weapon set-ups as mark has helped me with it

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...what's the setups now? Anything Mark has 'helped' with is cause for concern :uhoh:

the same set-ups but hes helped me with what powers each weapon

thats all he has helped me with

I really dislike all these interchangeable weapon things. In practice it means you have a bucket load of mediocre weapons.

Besides the choice of motors you picked are not encouraging. A C90 for a 200kg lifter? That thing had better have one hell of a gearbox in between it or there will be copper dripping out your robot every time you try to lift something.

Where the heck in the revised stats shown here does it say that?

EDIT: I see now, you're talking about the original stats. In that case, please look at the revised stats.

No, either post them here or have someone else look at them. I have 7 forums to look at as it is every day, I'll be buggered if I will look at another.

10 set-ups...christ sakes. You're just like Ben Read when he wanted to add in almost 15 set-ups. :roll:

Some thoughts on the revised stats:

Still way too many setups, some of the scoop ones are really unnecessary.
Linear actuators are an inefficent way to do an electric axe.
Why do the claws need a magmotor and linear actuator?
Covered in teeth doesn't sound good for a drum as you might just end up grinding at a robot rather than giving them one good whack.

Finally I'll trust you on the output of the spinning weapons because I can't be bothered to check it.

Ok ill revised the stats again, and remove some set-ups

Sauron
Weight: 80-100kg, depending on the setup used.
Shape: The robot without any setup on it is shaped like Tornado, back when they didn't have the interchangeable weapons.
Colour: Black, with a picture of The One Ring on top.
Dimensions: 85cm x 75cm x 25cm
Drive: 4x S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 3x 25.9v 5000mAh LiPo battery packs.
Locomotion: 4 Goodyear go-kart wheels.
Armour: 4mm titanium
Speed: 15mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at sides and back due to skirts. 5mm without skirts. The front ground clearance varies with the setups, but unless otherwise noted is 5mm.
Turning Circle: 0m
Weapon: 7 different interchangeable setups.

1: A 20kg hardox scoop, designed to kill spinners. 0mm ground clearance at the front.
2: A 10kg hardox scoop like the one above, but with an pneumatic axe(powered by 2 2kg c02 tanks) using a 3kg Terrorhurtz-style axehead. It can strike with around 300kg of force, and can be recessed into the body of the robot, keeping it invertible. 0mm ground clearance at the front.
3: A set of Panic Attack-style lifting forks, powered by a 50:1 reduced 25.9v S28-400 Magmotor. It can lift 250kg. 0mm ground clearance under the forks.
4: A Behemoth-style lifting scoop, using a 75mm bore 100mm stroke ram and a 2kg Co2 tank. It can flip 400kg and lift 500kg. 0mm ground clearance at the front.
5: A 4-bar Biohazard-style lifter, using a geared-down S28-400 Magmotor. It can lift 300kg. 0mm ground clearance at the front.
6: A 20kg hardox spinning bar on top of the robot, powered by a 25.9v S28-400 Magmotor at 4000rpm. It puts out 156kj. Another skirt is added to the front of the robot. 0mm ground clearance at the front.
7: LIke setup 9, but without the bar. 0mm ground clearance all around due to skirts.
Srimech: Invertible in all setups except for setup 7. Setups 2, 4, and 5 can all self-right the robot.
Strengths: 7 WEAPON SETUPS!!!
Weaknesses: There has to be at least 1 problem with each setup.
Bio: The first Team Blood Mages robot with interchangeable weaponry. Will it work? We'll see...
Win/Loss Ratio: N/A

Sorted out the axe. Removed spinning drum and crusher. Also ive removed the inverted scoop set-up

I like the CO2 powered electric axe :)

EDIT: forgot that the axe also needs a ram

Whoops, let me fix that. Must have forgotten about that when editing :rofl:

I'm not going to muck up Lian's thread.

Umm... Liam...

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Originally Posted by swimm3r

Robot Name: Apocalypse II
Weight: 100kg
Shape: Box wedge with sloped sides, ala Storm II. The front wedge is angled at 30* to get under opponents, and the sides are sloped at 45* to deflect spinners. The rear is rounded for easier self-righting.
Length: 80cm
Width: 60cm
Height: 9cm
Motivation: 2 x internal HDPE wheels, each are 85mm in diameter and they have vulcanised tyres for extra grip, plus they are cambered like Tazbot€™s for more manouevrability. They are in the front of the robot like Merlin so the front turns rather than the back. There are two ball castors in the rear of the machine, one in each corner. This allows me to swing the robot around quickly, and makes it very easy to control.
Drive: 2 x S28-400 magmotors run @ 24v from 2 x 3600mAh NiCad battlepacks; this should provide about 9 horsepower. This is a decent amount of power to push the other robots around with and also gives excellent controllability.
Armour: 3.75mm hardox monocoque for the most part, strengthened in certain key areas with extra 5mm titanium/vanadium alloy sheeting.
Weaponry: The robot is a decent pusher, but on top there are three sets of Mute-style barbs, one on each side and one running down the flipper arm. These are tungsten tipped to allow it to trap robots on top, and once their stuck on top they can€™t get free.
The second weapon is what I use to get rid of the robot stuck on the barbs. It is a Bio-Hazard style 4-bar flipping arm, but unlike Bio-Hazard it is run off full pressure pneumatics, meaning it will easily throw robots out of the arena. It is 30cm wide and runs down the centre of the robot, made of 4mm hardox and powered by a 120mm x 100mm bore stroke ram @ 750psi from a 1.5kg gas bottle, giving it about 10 flips per round, which should be enough. On the front of the flipper arm there is a strip of 8mm grade 2 titanium, which should aid in getting underneath the other robots. The barbs can also be used to tip robots into the pit via an S28-150 magmotor run @ 24v from 1 x 3600mAh NiCad battlepack.
Speed: 15mph
Ground Clearance: 0 at front, 8mm at sides and rear, but this is protected by 5mm titanium torsion-sprung skirts made of grade 2 titanium.
Turning Circle: Using the skid steer system ala Razer gives Apocalypse II a 0 turning circle
Srimech: The 4-bar flipper can right it in less than a second, but to conserve gas the barbs will be used, since they can right the robot in 1 second and won€™t run out of power in a match.
Colour: This new Apocalypse keeps the colour scheme of the old one, with dark blue bodywork and a red weapon.
Strengths: Powerful weaponry, unique strategy
Weaknesses: Limited gas for the flipper
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Robot Name: Helix
Shape: Tornado (including the angled rear) with angled sides, skirts and a front wedge
Weight: 100kg
Length: 80cm
Width: 80cm
Height: 9cm
Motivation: 4 x vulcanised wheels
Drive: 2 x S28-400s at 24v, 9HP, powered by 2 x NiCad battlepacks
Armour: 3.25mm hardox top, sides, front and rear, 5mm titanium skirts and 5mm aluminium base
Weaponry:
1)The front wedge is made of 3.25mm hardox and has a wedge extender for zero ground clearance at the front
2)A front 65cm long hardox axe, the head is shaped like Excalibur€™s from RW3 and it€™s on a rack and pinion system ala Terrorhurtz. It is powered by a 140mm stroke, 80mm bore cylinder at 1000psi from 1 x 2kg nitrogen bottles, the point is tungsten tipped and the underside serrated to really dig into opponents, it is on a rack and pinion system and there is enough gas to provide about 15 hits per fight which should be more than enough considering the power in each hit, there is about 2 tonnes of force in each hit when at full pressure and is enough to destroy aluminium, punch holes in titanium and even dent hardox
3)There are two tungsten tipped hardox spikes on either end of the angled rear
4)The front wedge lifts up via a linear actuator, this is used to flip opponents and attack their base armour with the axe or to lift and then ram or clamp when using this in unison with the axe. It has two spikes that run flush to the floor to help get under other robots
5) Not exactly a weapon, but it has a vacuum device to suck the robot to the floor. This is used to counter-act the effects of the axe and help it fight rammers and flippers. It can be turned on and off throughout the match, but unless I say so assume it will be turned on.
Top Speed: 17mph
Ground Clearance: Effectively 0 all round due to wedge at front and skirts at sides and rear, but 20mm behind them, they are all joined together with tungsten hinges to make them extremely hard to break
Turning Circle: 0
Srimech: The axe is long enough to right it over the wedge
Colour: Black with some green and red
Strengths: Powerful axe and decent pushing power
Weaknesses: High GC behind the skirts
Notes: Plenty of shock-proofing
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Robot Name: Volde
Shape: Box with wedges on all sides
Weight: 100kg
Length: 90cm
Width: 90cm
Height: 25cm
Motivation: 2 x internal 80mm diameter wheels with vulcanised tyres
Drive: 2 x S28-400 magmotors @ 24v powered by 2 x NiCad battlepacks @ 24v
Armour: 3.2mm hardox, the base armour is 4mm aluminium
Weaponry: All three weapons work in unison to clamp opponents:
1) Overhead axe, powered by an S28-400 @ 24v, it is 90cm long and made of titanium
2) Splinter-style side arms, each powered by an S28-400 @ 24v Each is identical to the axe. There are hinged, and so when the lifting plate lifts and the axe goes up they do too
3) A Complete Control style lifting plate, powered by an S28-400 @ 24v, it is made of titanium and runs flat to the ground to get under skirts and 0 ground clearance
None of the weapons are designed to damage the opponent, just hold them in place
Speed: 15mph
Turning Circle: 0
Ground Clearance: 0 at front, 7mm elsewhere
Srimech: The axe can right the robot quickly and easily
Colour: Dark blue bodywork with red and gold weapons, the name written in green on the sides and in purple on the rear
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Robot Name: System Shock 5.1
Shape: Box wedge with sloped sides, the front wedge is angled at 60* to flip opponents and the sides are angled at 42* to deflect spinners, the front wedge has a 3cm long extension with a Firestorm-style blade, this extension is angled at 30* to get right in underneath opponents, then ram them so they get flipped by the main 60* wedge, it also has a Tornado style angled rear
Weight: 110kg
Length: 65cm
Width: 85cm
Height: 9cm
Motivation: 4 x CNC Aluminium internal, but invertible wheels (110mm in diameter), they have a v-belt groove in the treads and a v-belt between the wheels so they count as tracks, but if they break the robot is not affected at all and the robot simply becomes a wheeled robot, leaving the tracks behind.
Drive: 4 x S28-400 magmotors run @ 24v by 4 x NiCad battlepacks @ 24v
Armour: 4mm hardox monocoque, with 6mm in key areas
Weaponry: As before the robot is primarily a rammer, but it has a powerful new top mounted weapon. This is a 50cm diameter titanium horizontal spinning disc, with 10cm long hooked blades that are part of the disc itself so they can€™t be ripped off from their own impacts. This is situated on top of the robot itself, and the blades reach just over the top of the front wedge and the rear. The tracks/wheels are higher than the disc, so it can still run inverted with this setup and use the disc as the blades are long enough. The disc is spun by 2 x S28-400 magmotors @ 24v and weighs 25kg, so can reach top speeds of 3000rpm in just 2 seconds. This disc also feeds kinetic energy to the drive via a clutch, so the kinetic energy stored in the disc can be used for 50mph slams against other robots, which with the robot€™s front wedge is enough to throw robots out of the arena Storm II-style.
Speed: Can be pushed to 28mph, but mostly kept lower for more control (about 17mph). With kinetic energy boost it reaches 50mph in less than a few seconds. The motors are geared towards acceleration so it can reach top speeds very quickly.
Turning Circle: 0
Ground Clearance: 0 at the front, 10mm the rest of the way around, but that is protected by 5mm titanium hinged skirts at the sides and rear that flop over when the robot is inverted
Srimech: Invertible
Colour: Goes back to the original colour scheme with light blue bodywork and the name written in yellow, this time on the front wedge
Strengths: Speed and Power
Weaknesses: Some people will be cheesed off by this clear exploitation of the weight advantage given to tracks
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Robot Name: Maximum Genocide
Shape: Triangle, ala Y-Pout
Weight: 100kg
Length: 80cm
Width: 80cm
Height: 12cm
Motivation: 3 x internal hardox wheels, one in each point, 125mm in diameter.
Drive: 3 x S28-400 magmotors run @ 24v from 3 x 3600mAh NiCad battlepacks to make a Y-Drive, one powering each wheel
Armour: 4mm hardox monocoque plus internal shockproofing
Weaponry: At each point of the triangle there are curved tungsten carbide claws that catch onto other robots when the robot spins with the Y-drive, but this is only part of the weapon. On top of the robot there is a horizontal Tornado-Mer style spinning blade, powered another 3 x S28-400 magmotors run @ 24v from 3 x 3600mAh NiCad battlepacks to reach top speeds of 2500rpm in 2 seconds, as the blade weighs 25kg. It spins in the same direction as the robot, and is 90cm long so it reaches out 5cm each point, exactly the same as the claws so that there is a huge amount of damage caused.
Speed: 15mph
Turning Circle: It€™s a Y-Drive
Ground Clearance: 10mm
Srimech: Gyroscopic forces ala Tornado Mer will act on the blade, flipping it back over
Colour: Black with yellow stripes, the claws are red to look like blood, as is the blade.
Strengths: Powerful weaponry
Weaknesses: Can€™t push anything
Notes: My first attempt at a Y-Drive and now Genocide/Forza has left its roots as a full body spinner to become a more original machine with dual spinning weapons.
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Robot Name: The Subjugator
Shape: Box with skirts all the way around
Weight: 150kg/200kg (see armour)
Length: 90cm
Width: 90cm
Height: 35cm
Motivation/Drive: 4 x hardox legs with vulkalon rubber feet, they are each actuated by two 10 bar 32mm pneumatic rams from a 5kg tank, they are not visible as they are internal
Armour: 4mm hardox (8mm with 200kg rule)
Weaponry: An 80cm long hardox arm on a 360 degree turret spun by a Bosch 750 watt motor at 36v. On the end of the arm is a large vertical claw, it has two prongs on the top and one on the bottom that goes between the top two when the claw closes (like Mr. Psycho). The prongs are all tungsten tipped and the claw is drilled with several speed holes, the claw is actuated by hydraulics at 3000psi from a vivoil pump powered by a LEM-130 lynch motor at 36v, they can be cranked up to 5000psi if the tournament allows it and can crunch through 4mm hardox when at 3000psi, look out if it€™s at 5000! The arm can move over 180 degrees via a LEM-130 at 36v to flip opponents and slam them onto the ground
Speed: 12mph, pretty fast for a walker
Turning Circle: In the centre of the robot€™s base armour there is a 20cm x 20cm circular section that extends to below the robot via another 10 bar ram, but this one is 400mm and takes the gas from its own 1.1kg bottle, once on the ground the circular piece of armour rotates in the direction which I want the robot to go via a Briggs & Stratton E-Tek at 48v.
Ground Clearance: 20mm all round, protected by 7mm titanium torsion sprung skirts, held together at the corners by 5mm hardox hinges
Srimech: The arm can right it in any direction
Colour: Black, with red and gold claw and the name written in white
Strengths: Heavy, unpushable, good weapon
Weaknesses: Comparatively slow turning
Notes: This is what happened the day I thought €œWalkers used linear actuators... What about fast pneumatic rams?€ With a lot of help from Leo Van Miert The Subjugator finally came into being, originally using a Whyachi-style tri-bar before that was replaced by the vertical claw when Leo brought to my attention how unstable it would be with the spinner weapon.
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Robot Name: LockJaw v3
Shape: Imagine an axlebot with Triangles at either side where the wheels would normally be, then on the right of the left triangle and on the left of the right triangle imagine a vertical claw. Then add a scoop in between the claws and put a third claw in the middle of the scoop, built into the scoop so it is invisible until it opens wider or closes.
Weight: 100kg
Length: 55cm
Width: 90cm
Height: 20cm (with claws shut) / 55cm (with claws fully open)
Motivation: The triangles at either end of the robot are wheel pods, as in each one is a 6mm hardox wheel with a vulcanised tyre. The wheels are both 220mm in diameter and mostly protected, but exposed from the three sides of the triangle. This allows it to run anyway up, but without having to put the drive in reverse.
Drive: 2 x S28-400 magmotors run @ 24v from 2 x 3600mAh NiCad battlepacks
Armour: As it€™s an axlebot there isn€™t much armour, but the wheel pods are made of 6mm hardox, and the 1cm scoop is made of grade 2 titanium.
Weaponry: The two outer claws are fast, but not powerful. They are each powered by an over-volted Litton motor @ 36v for fast grabbing. They merely hold the opponent in place while the middle claw comes into play, powered by hydraulics from a vivoil pump actuated by an S28-400 magmotor @ 24v running at 3000psi (5000psi if the tournament permits it). This claw can crunch through thin hardox and itself is made of tungsten carbide with serrated edges like the other two. The claws can open wider if the opponent is too high for them to grab. When they do this they dig their bottom prong into the ground ala Big Nipper, meaning they can get under 0 ground clearance, but nothing will get under them. This will not only be used against tall robots, but flippers or other wedges.
Speed: 15mph
Turning Circle: 0
Ground Clearance: 0 at front, less than zero if the claws open fully. It€™s an axlebot though so doesn€™t really have much of a ground clearance.
Srimech: The robots runs exactly the same when flipped upside down, I don€™t even have to put the drive in reverse due to the triangular wheel pods giving it three drive positions.
Colour: Unpainted
Notes: The original LockJaw was Stinger with a claw between the wheels, and failed miserably in its only fight. LockJaw Epidemic introduced two separate claws, but they were electric and not powerful enough. Version 3 provides the best of both worlds.

Featherweight

Robot Name: Small System Shock
Shape: Tracked box with a Tornado-style wedge on the front and skirts at the sides and rear
Weight: 14.96kg (10% weight advantage for tracks)
Length: 25cm
Width: 40cm
Height: 8cm
Motivation: 2 x titanium tracks coated with vulkalon, one on either side of the robot, protected from the sides but exposed from the top and bottom so it can run inverted.
Drive: 2 x Astroflight 940 cobalt magmotors run @ 24v from 2 x custom-built 2.4mAh NiCad packs
Armour: 3.2mm hardox monocoque
Weaponry: The robot is a very powerful, but controlled pusher and has the wedge on the front to get under other robots to push them around.
Speed: 15mph
Turning Circle: 0
Ground Clearance: 0 at front and effectively 0 all round due to 5mm skirts made of grade 2 titanium, but there is 10mm clearance behind the skirts.
Srimech: The robot runs inverted
Colour: Light blue with the name written in yellow on top
Strengths: Very well armoured and strong
Weaknesses: No active weaponry
Notes: The original System Shock was a pretty successful rammer, coming second in the 128-robot Crash and Burn: Dual Duels with its team-mate Firefly. However it was very basic, and so was upgraded pretty quickly, but here it is reincarnated in featherweight form.

Lightweight

Robot Name: Sergeant Slaughter
Shape: Wedge, with sloped sides and rear. The front wedge is angled at 30* while the sides and rear are angled at 42* to deflect spinners.
Weight: 27.5kg
Length: 55cm
Width: 35cm
Height: 30cm (with weapon)
Motivation: 2 x rear internal HDPE wheels with vulcanised tyres
Drive: 2 x Dewalt Powerdrives run @ 24v from 2 x 12v A123 batteries in series
Armour: 3.2mm hardox front wedge, 6mm polycarbonate sides and 5mm aluminium rear and 3mm aluminium base.
Weapon: A Razer-style crusher made of titanium with a tungsten tipped point, powered by the very same brand of linear actuators used by Suicidal Tendencies in their heavyweight machine, providing over 1000kg of crushing force. It is drilled with 100 holes to keep the robot in weight.
Speed: 10mph
Turning Circle: 0
Ground Clearance: 0 at front, 6mm at sides and 10mm at rear
Srimech: Steel cables connect the crusher to Razer-style side arms so when the crusher is raised the arms go out and right it.
Colour: Gold, with silver outlines and an army cap on top of the crusher
Strengths: Powerful weaponry
Weaknesses: Weak armour on base.
Notes: This was originally an elongated pyramid shape heavyweight that never got around to fighting, so it has now been miniaturised to featherweight size.

Middleweight

Robot Name: Gamma-Rex
Shape: Barrel shape like Storm-Force
Weight: 55kg
Length: 65cm
Width: 45cm
Height: 25cm
Motivation: 4 x internal HDPE wheels with vulcanised tyres, 85mm diameter
Drive: 2 x Bosch 750w motors run @ 28.8v from 2 x 3600mAh NiCad battlepacks
Armour: Fur?!?!
Weaponry: T-Minus-style flipper hinged at the back of the top panel, powered by dual 100m non-attached rams @ 1000psi (can be cranked up to 2400psi if the tournament allows it) from a 2kg nitrogen tank giving it about 8-12 flips per round.
Speed: 15mph
Turning Circle: 0
Ground Clearance: 0 at front, 7mm at sides and rear
Colour: Gold with silver outlines
Srimech: The robot can self-right with the flipper, but it is the same shape as Storm-Force, which virtually never lands on its back so the flipper will not be used as a srimech most times, instead the robot will allowed to roll.
Strengths: Very powerful flipper
Weaknesses: Limited gas

Superheavyweight

Robot Name: Omega-Rex
Shape: Box with a steep wedge at the front
Weight: 155kg
Length: 90cm
Width: 90cm
Height: 25cm
Motivation: 6 x internal HDPE wheels with vulcanised wheels, 125mm in diameter
Drive: 2 x Briggs & Stratton E-Teks run @ 60v from 12 x 3600mAh NiCad battlepacks
Armour: 6mm hardox monocoque
Weaponry: A huge Matador-style 12mm grade 5 titanium flipper, hinged at the back of the robot and powered by dual non-attached rams @ 1000psi (can be cranked up to 2400psi if the tournament allows it) from 2 x 4kg nitrogen tanks to give 35-40 flips!
Speed: 20mph
Turning Circle: 0
Ground Clearance: 0 at front, 10mm at sides and rear
Colour: Gold with silver outlines
Srimech: The flipper stylishly self-rights the robot in a high flip
Strengths: Powerful flipper
Weaknesses: High ground clearance at sides

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Apocalypse II - How exactly are you going to fit powerful pneumatics inside a 80x60x9 box? It's also very undersize, there's no way you'll be able to fit all the mechanics in there...also, S28-400 motor provides 4.5 horsepower...at PEAK. Not all the time. We're not sure what the average output is, Leo and Aaron may know better.

Helix - Again, how will you fit a 2kg Nitrogen bottle inside a height 9cm? And a vacuum mechanism? Actually, counting the armour that's almost 8cm of space to work with...again, undersized.

Volde - Seems okay, actually, though five S28-400 MagMotors might be pushing it.

System Shock 5.1 - You can't at all fit SIX MagMotors, invertible 4WD, a clutch mechanism, and batteries needed inside a tiny space like that! Plus, all that Hardox plus the 25kg disc is going to make it overweight.

Maximum Genocide - Again, SIX MagMotors plus batteries, the blade and the armour is going to put it overweight.

The Subjugator - According to the MatWeb calculator, an additional 4mm of Hardox will add 70kg to your machine's total weight, so you might want to fix that. Other than that it seems fine.

LockJaw v3 - Looks stackable on its flat sides, but otherwise fine.

Small System Shock - Is it possible to get Hardox body armour on a featherweight? I'm not entirely sure. Otherwise fine.

Sergeant Slaughter - A tonne of crushing force in a lightweight? I'm not exactly sure that's possible...perhaps Joey or someone else can correct me on that one? Otherwise fine.

Gamma-Rex - Fur armour... :rofl: At least it technically would be in weight then, but spinners would destroy it. I'd power down the weapon and add some decent armour.

Omega-Rex - The dimensions are very small. Otherwise it seems to be okay...

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Please explain these things and we should be okay. :)

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I'm not going to muck up Lian's thread.

Umm... Liam...
Apocalypse II - How exactly are you going to fit powerful pneumatics inside a 80x60x9 box? It's also very undersize, there's no way you'll be able to fit all the mechanics in there...also, S28-400 motor provides 4.5 horsepower...at PEAK. Not all the time. We're not sure what the average output is, Leo and Aaron may know better.

Helix - Again, how will you fit a 2kg Nitrogen bottle inside a height 9cm? And a vacuum mechanism? Actually, counting the armour that's almost 8cm of space to work with...again, undersized.

Volde - Seems okay, actually, though five S28-400 MagMotors might be pushing it.

System Shock 5.1 - You can't at all fit SIX MagMotors, invertible 4WD, a clutch mechanism, and batteries needed inside a tiny space like that! Plus, all that Hardox plus the 25kg disc is going to make it overweight.

Maximum Genocide - Again, SIX MagMotors plus batteries, the blade and the armour is going to put it overweight.

The Subjugator - According to the MatWeb calculator, an additional 4mm of Hardox will add 70kg to your machine's total weight, so you might want to fix that. Other than that it seems fine.

LockJaw v3 - Looks stackable on its flat sides, but otherwise fine.

Small System Shock - Is it possible to get Hardox body armour on a featherweight? I'm not entirely sure. Otherwise fine.

Sergeant Slaughter - A tonne of crushing force in a lightweight? I'm not exactly sure that's possible...perhaps Joey or someone else can correct me on that one? Otherwise fine.

Gamma-Rex - Fur armour... :rofl: At least it technically would be in weight then, but spinners would destroy it. I'd power down the weapon and add some decent armour.

Omega-Rex - The dimensions are very small. Otherwise it seems to be okay...


Please explain these things and we should be okay. :)

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For the lighter stuff... pretty easy to put hardox on a FW, an awful lot of feathers have hardox armour.

A tonne of crushing force isn't very much really either - the FW crusher I designed using a reversible gear pump and aluminium cylinder/Ti rod would have put out 3.5 tons and he's got double the weight to play with!

Okay, Small System Shock and Sergeant Slaughter are fine then. The rest still need sorting, though. :wink:

Hardox or any other steel on a feather is certainly possible, but how thick depends on the rest of the robot of course.

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Okay, Small System Shock and Sergeant Slaughter are fine then. The rest still need sorting, though. :wink:

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On a similar note, I think you need to fix Intriguous... that is, if it hasn't been retired :p: I was just looking at your page for some reason...

Dimensions in CM (LxWxH): 102 x 82 x 16

Weaponry: A pneumatic axe, running off a similar system to RFL superheavyweight robot, The Judge. Intriguous uses 2 custom 2.5kg CO2 tanks and a gigantic 225mm stroke 200mm bore ram for its axe, and it has enough power for 15 full pressure shots which should cause some major damage to any kind of armour. If per chance the axe somehow is taken off, Intriguous can use the front wedge to ram other bots around.

That's not going to fit in your robot in any orientation :p

I've already been shouted down about that and am in the process of remaking it, thanks :P

I was just looking at Intriguality. Those front skirts would give you all kinds of problems in combat. You inevitably will ride up your own skirts leaving your wheels off the ground.

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I was just looking at Intriguality. Those front skirts would give you all kinds of problems in combat. You inevitably will ride up your own skirts leaving your wheels off the ground.

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I was actually advised to make the wedges like that, tbh. They're double hinged.

They'll be fine if they have a stop to limit the angle it can turn.

Fixed. :P

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...iguality-1.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k..._AxeDown-1.jpg

The latest addition to my vapourbot arsenal, Murdertrain.

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Name: Murdertrain

Weight: 100 kg

Shape: Box with a wedge

Colour: Green body, grey scoop and connecting rods with some blood on it, made to look sort of like a train (I know it's not those colours in the picture but meh)

Dimensions: 80cm * 63cm * 18cm (with scoop)

Drive: 2 * Perm PMG 132 motors running on 59.4 V with 5 * 18 cell A123 ANR26650M1 battery packs

Locomotion: 6 * 20 cm diameter 5 cm wide titanium hubbed wheels with rubber coating

Armour: 5mm Ti 6Al 4V on the body

Speed: 14 mph

Ground Clearance: 0 cm at the front under scoop, 1 cm elsewhere

Turning Circle: 0 cm

Weapon: 15 mm thick 45* hardox lifting scoop 63 cm wide powered by an S28-400 Magmotor on 26.4V geared at 80:1 to
provide a powerful lifter (pivot is in line with front wheel centres)
There is a titanium 'tongue' under the scoop to prevent the robot from tipping over forwards whilst lifting and the
titanium connecting rods also have some short spikes on them.
The Magmotor is powered by a seperate 8 cell A123 ANR26650M1 battery pack and it acts like a dustpan when inverted.

Srimech: Invertible but the scoop is less effective upside down

Notes: The connecting rods provide 6 wheel drive from only two wheels being directly driven by motors.

Finally, the stats for walkies. I hope that it'll work because pneumatics aren't my strong point and sorry for the lateness.

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Name: Walkies

Weight: 200 kg

Shape: Look at the picture (if you can't see it then it's a Trapezoidal prism with a Hexagonal prism turret on top

Colour: Green, White and Orange turret with a grey base

Dimensions: 75cm * 75cm * 40cm (not including axe and fully sitting down)

Drive: 4 * S28-400 Magmotors running on 24 V with 40:1 worm gear reduction and 10 PN-3000-24 BattlePacks powering them
(used like servos

Locomotion: 4 * 60cm long, 5 cm wide slightly curved feet made from 5mm titanium and a textured rubber coating for grip

Armour: 7 mm hardox front, sides and bulkheads on the base with 5 mm titanium for everything else.

Speed: Very slow

Ground Clearance: Varies (5 cm when fully standing up, 0 cm when feet are fully in)

Turning Circle: 0 cm

Weapon: 70cm long hatchet style hardox axe with 2 * 3.5 mm thick arms and a 6 kg, 25 mm thick head. Runs at 300 psi with a
rack and pinion powered by two 3 kg CO2 bottles and a double acting 150 mm bore, 220 mm stroke ram.
The axe is mounted on a 70 cm diameter turret spun by a pair of S28-400 magmotors and has 6 ultrasonic sensors and
some clever programming to keep the axe aimed at the closest object (this can be manually overridden when it gets
confused)
The turret also has a small red laser pointer aimed at where the hammer should hit.

Srimech: The axe

Notes: A true walker that can sit, play dead and roll over :)

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Notes: A true walker that can sit, play dead and roll over :)

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It's a shuffler though :P

Each of the four feet is indepentently controlled by an S28-400 magmotor that is used as a servo with limited angle to walk in this fashion on each side http://incredibots2.com/?robotID=dal...31c04.54213413

Found this drive train simulator whilst looking for motor dimensions:

http://www.enigmaindustries.com/EDTSim.htm

Might be of use to people in designing vapours and even real robots as it can do battery life as well.

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Found this drive train simulator whilst looking for motor dimensions:

http://www.enigmaindustries.com/EDTSim.htm

Might be of use to people in designing vapours and even real robots as it can do battery life as well.

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I used to have the paid version of that.

Hey Guys. It's me!, returning from a long absence (my computer broke :angry:) and should have a new vapour in a couple of days.

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Hardox or any other steel on a feather is certainly possible, but how thick depends on the rest of the robot of course.

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Case in point:

http://www.team-rcc.org/images/kashe...kashei-001.jpg

My new feather, Hardox armour.