Saw you guys in action even had a brilliant chat with one of you really helpful thankyou again, was this the Lightweight class battling?
Saw you guys in action even had a brilliant chat with one of you really helpful thankyou again, was this the Lightweight class battling?
Featherweight :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyamoeba
I wasn't there but it was Featherweights. Lightweights are a little bigger, and not really battled in the UK.
(Whoops, Garfie beat me to it :) )
Thanks, now I know that best get some ideas jotted down. :)
I was at Insomnia as a journalist (for those of you wondering - I was the little woman with the red inflatable hammer!) and upon talking to a few of you... well, here I am.
Looking forward to seeing more of you at the next Insomnia I go to... if this becomes a regular thing for yourselves of course. :) You were very popular.
It was nice meeting you, I definatly remember the hammer. Hope to see you next time!
Hey! Glad you decided to sign up. The show seemed to go down very well, so fingers crossed we're on course for many more events. Look forward to seeing what you come up with. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by PredictedCyborg
My thanks and congratulations to Grant and the Robochallenge team for putting on a fabulous event.
I liked the new format and felt it helped deliver a real spectacle for the audience.
My thanks also to the rest of teams involved for the spirit in which the battles (which involved some series carnage) were conducted.
We look forward to the 'whoop ass' that's undoubtedly going to be handed to us next time round at what I hope will become a regular event.
Well done guys!
Uploaded a bunch of the photos I got on my phone during the 27th and 28th.
They're here.
Not the best but if my actual camera hadn't broken they'd have been better, honest! xD
I found out about this forum from a couple of the guys I was chatting to at just after close on the Sunday. Nice poker face from the Team Carbide chap when he said they were off for a viewing party of the Robot Wars final!
The Featherweight bouts were very brutal. Shard was very destructive, as were the eventual winners, who threw one robot up and hit the 10mm polycarbonate wall hard enough that the dent could be felt from the outside, 5 feet up!
Very impressive power, several bouts went to the 2 minute mark, but many were under 10 seconds!
On the one hand, I need to build another robot, on the other, how do you stop a 20,000rpm cutter spinning upwards? Is ablative armour & string allowed?
String isn't allowed, it's classed as an entanglement weapon, which is illegal as per the build rules. Sacrificial armour is a thing, but it might work against you if it comes to a judge's decision and there's bits of your robot all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by NKT
Problem is, that leaves no way to counter a robot with a brutal fast spinning weapon. Shard & Drumroll, & the winning robot Conker 3, are all basically impossible to stop. Watch the videos of Shard throwing other robots out the ring in under 5 seconds, or the poor remains of Loki 2 limping around after the scoop & then lifter arm are ripped off...
There were bits of non - sacrifical armour littering the place!
Yes, it's impressive, but it's going to need rule changes soon. 5 seconds bouts aren't that much fun for the watchers, nor the losing build teams.
Oh I've seen them in action, I know. Heavy enough armour and good driving can counter them though. Omega seems to usually come away relatively unscathed.
Just gotta build something strong enough to take the hits, maneuverable enough to get round the sides, and powerful enough to push them in the pit or get them out of the arena.. There's no perfect design in robot combat. It's like a giant game of rock paper scissors; one design will be great against another design, but may be weak against others. There are ways to beat big spinners, just until now it's not something that has been so dominant, so hasn't been designed against as much. It's still much better than the previous few years of flippers winning every fight in 5 seconds by throwing things out of the arena..
Is the arena floor steel? Because if it is, electromagnets might be the way to go...if they are allowed in the build rules - don't remenber there was any mention of them being illegal. It is possible to find electromagnets with a pull of 300kg, so if you build a strong brick type machine which could glue itself to the floor, spinners would be in for a very hard time....
Wasn't doing any testing for this idea yesterday at all... *shifty look*
Magnetise the whole floor. Now that would be fun :-)
There are plenty of 5 second matches with flippers and they generally win the event too. Changing rules just lowers the challenge and excitement - building a better bot is the solution if you want a longer fight and more even results.Quote:
Originally Posted by NKT
Nah you won't :eek: but if you're hit hard enough you might fly off with a piece of the floor attached! :rofl:Quote:
Magnetise the whole floor. Now that would be fun :-)
Was thinking more of something like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by higgeh
http://www.rgl-electronics.co.uk/pro...612§ion=64
Spinners pack quite a punch, my guess would be of more than a couple of 100kgs, and you'd have to build your brick even stronger if its being clamped to the floor as the impact will be even greater....
Well the original television series did have quite a few bots who managed to put smaller holes into the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liftoff
Time's ripe for a much larger one. :P
We can't win can we...Quote:
Originally Posted by NKT
Last year at GSL, neither Shard or Conker 3 made the 2nd round, I believe Drumroll made it but was soon knocked out.
What you have seen is actually very different from the norm. The top 3 robots are usually the flippers: 2 Beauty's and Explosion, but this time the table turned.
Conker 3 is far from infallible, same goes for Shard which lost to Satanix. Drumroll has its weak spots too. It also comes down to the robots you draw. I got lucky with most of my fights, I got machines that were either not working properly like Flat Pack or new machines like Cerates (I can't spell it) that had never fought before. If I had drawn Shard or Explosion it could have been a very different story.
Oh, and Conker 3's weapon only does a max of 11'000 RPM ;) I did most of my fights at ~5000rpm as before it had a habit of killing itself.
The thing with huge downforce is that you need to be able to drive still. According to Alex, Conker 3's magnets were too strong to drive with, and they aren't anywhere near as strong as a 500kg electromagnet. Let alone the fact that the magnet you linked weighs almost 5kg! If you spent that extra 5kg on armour, you would probably be better off vs a spinner.
Yep, even with two 25kg magnets it was enough to make driving impossible and for me to hang C3 off the arena wall!
Spinners OP, need to nerf them! :D
Thought someone would mention this, that's why I said electromagnet not a permanent magnet, so you'll be able to turn it on and off. So while driving the magnet is off, as the spinner approaches for the attack, turn the magnet on. At 4.5kg for 550kg worth of downforce is not much. You have 9kg left for building an indestructible brick! :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Giles
Has anybody got video footage of the fights left to upload? Unfortunately I didn't get anybody to film any of Mantis' fights and I would love to watch them back, it was all a blur to me.
Are there any vids?
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Originally Posted by daveimi
Yep, lots of vids. Give it a few days for the regulars to upload their stuff, maybe next weekend. I have a load of 90 and 120 FPS footage from my Go Pro but I am busy so it may take a while to upload.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giles
Conker 3 had no magnets in it at all. I removed the 2 on the wedge after I discovered I couldn't drive at all with them and ran with just the wedge on the front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liftoff
I'd also say that massive magnet idea is a little too focused. You are never going to win a fight against other types of robot if you can't fight back, and since the spinner knows what you can do, they won't fall for it.
Had a great weekend. It was pretty easy to come over with only a flight of 50 minutes. Thanks Grant for receiving and bringing over the crate with the robot in it.
Lets hope this event will keeps coming back! See you all next time!
stef
First video from my Go Pro - It couldn't be anything else: Shard vs Explosion! Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/eBXuDU0ieEY
Excellent match! Shard seems more stable than the last time I saw it, has Sam upgraded it?
It has lots of magnets nick :)
Interesting - it still managed to gyro dance a couple of times but the magnets are pretty effective.