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you dont need to be a member to attend an event but yet you use the fra rules on tech checks and building. sorry ed but something is a miss here. if we didnt support the fra then there would be no tech check rules or guidelines. or is it because its all set up now you can just use them and not support them. correct me if i am wrong.
I suppose anyone can run a robot event if they want to without being a member of the FRA or insisting that everyone is an FRA member. I see the FRA as a govorning body for the sport of robotting. The rules are there for people to use, you dont have to buy them by being a member. If you organise a football match you dont need to pay the football association to use their rules, i see this as exactly the same.
Yeah, the FRA has and still does good things for the robotting community and I am still a member so I dont see where this discussion thread is supposed to be heading.
Shane. Both me and Ed (same team) support the FRA. We are fully paid up members.
We build to the FRA build rules because they make sense. Good rule book.
I believe Robotslive have there own insurance policy, should someone get injured at an event.
I see no point in this thread? Apart from a pointless pot stirring.
There is much going on behind the scenes at the moment and this is but their first event.
No one is required to be a member of the FRA but without the support of all the Roboteers we simply could not exist. We are the Roboteers.
No one is required to be an FRA member and that is the way it should be... Choice! But working together we will go forward.
Robots Live! have embraced the rules and guidelines and I have no doubt their events will be some of the best yet!
very nice comments lads but does no-one from the robots live event organisers wish to voice their opinion. or are you guys robots live events organiser. its all about supporting the fra. this thread is not pointless pot stirring mr moulds, i have an opinion and i will voice my opinion. you have yours and you have voiced yours but are you accused of pot stirring.
Shane, I believe that this is a topic that you should have gotten in direct contact with both the FRA and robots live event organisers instead of posting on the forum.
I dont remember anyone saying that theyre not supporting the FRA
Shane, you can understand that we are extremely busy at this moment but, in answer to your questions;
€œso if thats the case and robots live do an event and there is a roboteer there who is a non member of the fra and that roboteer gets injured, or causes injury to anyone else in the crowd or pits or robots live staff then what happens? surly robots live must make it ruling to be fra members for their own saftey.€Â
Robots Live has a £5million events insurance policy for the protection of the public (the FRA€™s PI Insurance is only £1million), whether the roboteer is a member of the FRA makes no difference to our insurance.
€œare you going to support the fra like other event organisers and roboteers have done. sorry but i just dont understand why robots live are not willing to support the fra. come on guys whats the problem. it can only be good for your event??????€Â
Robots Live! Does support the FRA and has never stated otherwise. The FRA are carrying out a Event Safety check and an inspection of the arena.
€œyou dont need to be a member to attend an event but yet you use the fra rules on tech checks and building. sorry ed but something is a miss here. if we didnt support the fra then there would be no tech check rules or guidelines.€Â
You don€™t need to be a member of the FRA in order to use any of there guidelines or rules, therefore we don€™t see an issues with your point. If the FRA didn€™t supply the quoted documents then we would supply our own along with our own PI insurance. But by using the FRA€™s it gives roboteers consistency between event organisers.
€œwhat will happen to the fra? what will happen to build rules? what will happen to this forum?€Â
We are only talking about a few teams who will probably not join, therefore we don€™t see any immediate risk to the FRA.
To clarify our position.
Robots Live currently supports the FRA and follows their guidelines and build rules and has never stated otherwise. The reason we don€™t require all roboteers to be FRA members is simple, choice, why should people be made to join an association that they don€™t support? There are roboteers out there that don€™t support the FRA for one reason or another, why should they be forced to join? In future if you have a question or opinion to voice, maybe you would consider contacting us directing rather than asking on a public forum.
Robots Live!
Robots live are working with the FRA. We have a little local difficulties with Robots Live but we hope they can be overcome with time.
The FRA welcomes a new event organiser to provide competion that enables the the quality of roboteering life to rise.
For this weekends event the FRA will be doing the normal things we do at an event, with Robots Live blessing and complete openess.
Robots live believe that they can do a better job for the roboteers and this approach is welcome.
General statement.
A few people do not understand the FRA and have conspiracy theories as to its motives.
The FRAs motives are as stated on the front pages of this website.
Our aim is to provide a level playing field for all, it is up to others whether they are on the same playing field or not.
The FRA is a union of roboteers and roboteers union.
Resourses that can be called on in the FRA are unrivelled, no single event organiser has the amount of skills that the combined number of roboteer members have, with perhaps the showmanship bit the least of our skills.
Why some event organisers view the roboteers with suspicion never ceases to amaze. No show can exist without the goodwill of the roboteers or to a degree the other way round to.( We now have a choice the event organisers do not)
The FRA has a great equal relationship with some of the event organisers to the betterment our sport/hobby.
Arena and event safety has been our priority this last six months.
A review was needed and has now been actioned as there have been some seriously dubious occurrences.
It is up to the roboteers to ensure that the yet unpublished guidelines are regarded as the minimum standard for robotic combat and that they should demand that all event organisers have the common sense to comply.
All the event organisers present approved the standard which has now also been voted through by the FRA governing body.
The FRA keep being dragged in to event organiser politics which stops the FRA doing the job it is there to do.This is totally unproductive.
For the next six months we are to move on to work that should be done.
i see :)