...were you meaning me or Jamie?
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...were you meaning me or Jamie?
I think he may have been meaning me but very worthwhile advice in general.
Reading it now in the light of day, my post is not the most structured or good advice posts around.
Totally agree that a degree is very valuable in todays world and that it helps to be taken seriously.
Unis not for everyone (thinking its not for me) but for a lot of others, it is the best path.
Although what youve said Andy, about coming back and doing it part-time after doing something else (possibly in my case, the apprenticeship), thats a pretty good solution and one which would probably benefit me more. I must consider that
So yeah, I wasnt trying to imply that uni is completely useless in my first post, although reading it now it sounds like it a bit; I was just being in a very anti-uni mood last night :)
well my 2 pence worth is that if i were to sit an interiew in my business i would choose the person who has had experience in the sector over the student from uni. then iwouldnt expect someone tograduate from uni to work in a casino. at uni you dont get taught life skills. yes they will teach you to be a plumber but will they teach you how to deal with that arkward customer that wont pay. oh shut up shane you div :)
thanks kody for them images of envy they are perfect. anyone who is interested go look in the fanfic under vapourbot images. its worth it. :) :) :)
Nah in uni, theyll teach you to use some complex equation to work out a length of pipe need to fill in a gap in a plumbing system. In real life, they use a magic little tool called a measuring tape :lame:
About picking a sector person over a student, thats what happens a lot, people coming out of uni with their degree looking to get a job, but get turned down in favour of someone who did an apprenticeship because of the benefit of practical skills that they will have (although for the situations I heard of, it was only in engineering so I dont know if it happens in other jobs, and to be fair, not EVERY job is like that - but it does happen)
That is the biggest question and balance companies needs to make these days, paper work qualification or hard practical experience. It€™s a bit more noticeable in design mainly in like engineering and computer work, media and so on.
Though the industry is changing it€™s attitudes a little bit, now asking for paper work qualifications now. They tend to pay people less without a degree than someone with one. But then other companies are tend to employ you with years of experience without a degree than someone fresh out of Uni. But the amount of people or mature students that have been in my course this year because they now need the paper work for the company to justify their wages has nearly tripled over the last 3 years. They have a job, but being told they need a degree now to keep their current job wages or something.
I half wish I took the course which spends the 3rd year in placement and then finish off my 3rd year studies in a 4th year, but I just wanted to get the degree done and get a job. But your more chance of getting a job with a degree AND experience. Though I€™ve been lucky with some job interviews showing I have experience from else where, including from Roaming Robots. But also my Uni have made sure when we did our Independent Study (Dissertation) we had to use a REAL client. This meant first hand experience dealing with the real world which looks impressive on my degree and CV.
I nearly didn€™t go to Uni because I was a bit bored and sick of education, but was told by quite a few people and mates that it€™s not education there (well it is) but it€™s also learning life skills and it€™s not all hard work, there is plenty of time to chill and make the most of life without too many boundaries. Though I must say I have found the past 3 years at Uni LESS STRESSFUL than GCSE and A Levels. Pick a subject you enjoy the most at Uni that your interested in, stick to the plans and work loads and your fine. Yes the level of work is higher, but you can concentrate on just one subject.
Go to Uni - I know too many people who regret over not going, than people saying €œim glad I didn€™t go€Â. Not just for the qualification but for the experience. One of the best moves I made in my life and recommend it to anyone.
As john said above, if robots die out, he has a degree to fall back on, and now years of experience. But people look at your qualification FIRST, then your experience in this day and age anyway. To the point now a degree is not the bench mark - a Masters is now the new bench mark which is why I€™m considering doing a Masters next to stay on level above.
Shane said: €œat uni you dont get taught life skills. yes they will teach you to be a plumber but will they teach you how to deal with that arkward customer that wont pay. oh shut up shane you div€Â
I disagree Shane - we get taught how to cope with the computer users (or abusers we call them) and how thick the average adult is on a computer and how to deal with these €œthink they know it all€ abusers when doing software support and customer debugging. Haha. But in fairness they do bring you into the real world and so on, I€™ve learnt most of my life skills from Uni so far.
Sorry about my essay - lol - but go to Uni if you get the chance, stick at it, it has a big impact on your life, and 99% for the good.
Mr Stu
ADDED EXTRA: Also you get the few Uni students who just do nothing but prat about and drink and get in trouble - these are normaly the sports students at my Uni.. and most fail their assessments and drop out, and they give Uni students the bad rep. There is plenty of time for parties and fun and going out and chilling than doing just work. I only had 4 lectures a week, each being 3 hours long each. And i was luck that i had 2 on monday and 2 on thrusday, so i had all the other days off. Was fun ... hehe.}
(Message edited by stu on May 14, 2008)
Im not really that much of a social person anyway, so I should be fine then :P
Uni is corrupt over here in Toronto (Samuel Park or Melissa Urbich can prove me wrong :)) so Im going to college. :)
you all made me have a interesting read for when i got home!
i think ill be goin uni tho if i get good grades - need 60 marks out of 100 in business to get a B and 110 out of 180 in ict to get B but as ict exams r solid! lol other teachers wont tell us our marks - im thinking of going either manchester, leeds, sheffield or liverpool
failed a college test for my uncles by 1 mark on the maths section! could of just gave me it lol got a retake booked tho - but depends what job they offer me need lots of £££ in like 15 yrs time
Im staying at school through sixth form - done some of my GCSEs already but I actually have two tomorrow and then a week of pure hell after that :lame: