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Maxus and Voodoo are kinda heavy but you can carry them with 1 arm. A toolbox in the other hand with your transmitter and charger in the toolbox. Sorted.
my middles are a bit dusty atm and voodoo needs a new axe motor gearbox. But then there ready to fight
On the subject of middle weights....
Nobody has gievn me personally a reason as to why build one?
Are they cheaper?
Will they use different components to heavyweights?
Can you take them on a train like is being suggested...? i wouldnt want to with spares and tools.
Will they look completely different to a hW or just slightly smaller?
What weapons will people come up with, or will it be yet another flipper fest?
Remember if you make them with cheaper wheel chair motors, they will be slow and boring.
The entertainment factor of the HWs is the speed, power, and size from an EO point of view.
All I can see is another lower class of the HW's, so why not just concentrate on one class, and make more HW's instead.
Theres nothing to stop MWs in Heavyweight fights ( within reason )... steel sandwich is a prime example.
If i was going to build a MW, id put exactly the same bits out of my hw, and fit it into a MW, just loose my hardox armour. And i'm sure most would do the same !
If im missing something, please tell me. Im open to suggestions.
John
They are easier to handle (lift) for 1 or 2 person-teams. Some Roboteers sell their HW due to bad backs.
On all other points, I agree with Jonno.
I do think that it is not hard to build an underweight HW, these days. With lighter batteries and a tendency to build denser robots.
If you want more spectators, build more spectacular robots; faster (minimum speed?), with active weapons and sacrificial armour. Minimum ground clearance for the bodywork eliminates being stuck on the arena floor. Minimum ground clearance for the flippers will give others a bit more chance.
Good-looking robots are great, but noisy robots pull in people from the other side of the hall.
I don't really agree with that stuff about sacrifical armour/robots or minimum ground clearances ect. We have to remember that this is also a competition for us and I don't think any of us want to have to comprimise our robots just to bring the crowd in. If we're having a couple of fights a show where we have a heavy fighting a sacrificial one, or a showcase fight, this would be one slot gone where the actual heavys can't do any fighting. Each heavy gets about 2 or 3 fights a show if they're lucky. We have to balance between roboteers and audience, and saying people have to build more exciting robots or they cant enter would effect some of us more than others.
:uhoh: There is a lot on the thread since last I looked
To answer some questions asked
MW robots are going to be cheaper to make, and posibly transport this means there may be more people going over to this class from the featherweight side.
A speedo like the Sidewinder would do well in this class. Wheelchair drives come more into play they can go at 8mph plus fit bigger wheels they go faster than that.
The size of a middleweight relative to a heavyweight is about 75-80%.
To restrict flippers winning everything, easy restrict the amount of gas they can carry, big cannon flipper can only have a few shots, little ram can have more shots but no OOTA.
I do like the idea of a minimum height and robots not dragging flipper bits along the ground ripping up Jonno€™s new floor, not that it effects The Saint!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I personally would not recommend transporting a 50Kg robot on a train, but I have done madder things than that in the past!!!
And lastly I don€™t think middleweight robots will be anymore boaring than any other class. :idea: :idea:
mw's wont be any more boring than hw's and will they be anymore exciting?????? i doubt it for a while, hw's are great but all i ever seem to see on youtube is flippers (yawn). (flippers are great but their are too many)
i think you would end up with more mw's than hw's, which could lead to sum great robots being built and possibley evolve like the fw's, the main reason most would probably build one is they are easier to transport. When i took my hw to one event i had to take it through a door sideways!! its scratched the crap out of my car, and wasnt vary easy to secure in the car,
it was a nightmare..
Even though their is no easy answer, i think the biggest problem is its not full combat which is also not do-able with mw's but at least their would be more robots.
People might moan about spinners detroying their robots or causing too much damage, but im sure with all your hardox you would be fine, and yes i know the cost of a full conbat hw arena isnt doable, im just saying what i think the problem is, before anyone starts kicking off.
Hw's are what people will always want to see because of their size, but to me its like boxing
what would you rather watch danny williams,audley harrison cuddling then throwing one big punch and its all over.
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or would you rather watch amir khan, ricky hatton? :lol:
totally agree a revamp of the rules is needed on robots, lifting a hw robot into the arena for it to get flipped out after 20 seconds would annoy the crap out of me, and also it would if i was a audiance member waiting for the robots to be brought in, armed, etc.... then to see it just get thrown out...
i also think a mw is an easier step up from fw's.
I think that Jonno's cages have addressed this problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by ady
Yep, still going on !!!
MW robots are going to be cheaper to make, and posibly transport this means there may be more people going over to this class from the featherweight side.
Why ? What parts will people use for a MW?
They will be the same to transport, 1 car, 1 set of tools and spares, 1 tank of fuel, and 1 set of passengers. Maybe you have a bit of room in your boot for a lunch box and some crisps :lol:
A speedo like the Sidewinder would do well in this class. Wheelchair drives come more into play they can go at 8mph plus fit bigger wheels they go faster than that.
Yes you can use wheelchair motors, but after a few fights of fighting a robot with 750's your going to want to upgrade, plus i would hazzard a guess that any current hw team building a MW wouldnt consider using wheelchair motors, and id never advise anyone. Its a false economy,
The size of a middleweight relative to a heavyweight is about 75-80%.
Ok so they look very similar to HW's, so your not creating anything visually different to the 40 active HWs.
To restrict flippers winning everything, easy restrict the amount of gas they can carry, big cannon flipper can only have a few shots, little ram can have more shots but no OOTA.
I do like the idea of a minimum height and robots not dragging flipper bits along the ground ripping up Jonno€™s new floor, not that it effects The Saint!!
Talked about minimum ground clearance beofre, i like the idea like in F1 and am still contemplating it for 2010.
I personally would not recommend transporting a 50Kg robot on a train, but I have done madder things than that in the past!!!
And lastly I don€™t think middleweight robots will be anymore boaring than any other class.
They will be very similar to Hw's, some might not even know the difference, so again, why bother?
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ady Post subject: Re: The future of robotingPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:57 pm
Name: adrian sandercock mw's wont be any more boring than hw's and will they be anymore exciting?????? i doubt it for a while, hw's are great but all i ever seem to see on youtube is flippers (yawn). (flippers are great but their are too many)
i think you would end up with more mw's than hw's, which could lead to sum great robots being built and possibley evolve like the fw's, the main reason most would probably build one is they are easier to transport.
I dont think apart form the spinners, there is any more technology in FWs than heavyweights. If everyone was to build a MW, we'd end up with the same set of robots but slightly smaller, and maybe a lack of hardox, nothing new.
When i took my hw to one event i had to take it through a door sideways!! its scratched the crap out of my car, and wasnt vary easy to secure in the car,
it was a nightmare..
MOST venues have big open doors, we get an arena through them, with careful planning and rubber and carpet you can get robots in and out without scrathching. Depends on the size of your car of course.
AK gets kan openener in his sparkly posh BMW without scratching it.
Even though their is no easy answer, i think the biggest problem is its not full combat which is also not do-able with mw's but at least their would be more robots.
People might moan about spinners detroying their robots or causing too much damage, but im sure with all your hardox you would be fine, and yes i know the cost of a full conbat hw arena isnt doable, im just saying what i think the problem is, before anyone starts kicking off.
Hw's are what people will always want to see because of their size, but to me its like boxing
what would you rather watch danny williams,audley harrison cuddling then throwing one big punch and its all over.
.
or would you rather watch amir khan, ricky hatton?
totally agree a revamp of the rules is needed on robots, lifting a hw robot into the arena for it to get flipped out after 20 seconds would annoy the crap out of me, and also it would if i was a audiance member waiting for the robots to be brought in, armed, etc.... then to see it just get thrown out...
Obviously your not a HW fan ady, but if you came to an RR HW event, out of 3 shows, we will now only have about 1 or 2 OOTAs, the cages have stoped that and we have some very exciting fights which do last the whole 3 minutes or their is a knock out.
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John
I think that Jonno's cages have addressed this problem.
sorry didnt realise this as i dont go to rr hw events. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and i can take critisim, The only thing i find a bit annoying is anyone who tries to make a suggestion gets a bit talked down too. or that's how it comes across?? as if im thick because i scratched the crap out of my car with my hw and the next man didnt ....
people will build mw robots with wheelchair motors, we cant all afford flash custom gearboxes etc..... people make fw's out of drills, when their are gold motors etc.....we all dont want to just buy/afford all the best stuff so it aint false economy!!
im just trying to get my ideas and suggestions across, this is probably why so many dont add any comments to this thread, other eo's etc...... theirs nothing wrong with people disagreeing with your comments, thats fine, i just think sometimes it comes across a bit sarcastic and if were thick or have crap ideas, in the way responses have been made to suggestions.
all i can say is their is definately something wrong as this thread wouldnt have started and had so much input, and with smaller numbers, i wouldnt blame it all on the recession!
Obviously your not a HW fan ady, but if you came to an RR HW event, out of 3 shows, we will now only have about 1 or 2 OOTAs, the cages have stoped that and we have some very exciting fights which do last the whole 3 minutes or their is a knock out
ummm yeah jonno i am a hw fan, i have been watching fighting robots as long as you im sure,perhaps it just takes a bit more to entertain me,
the only reason i dont go to hw events is because my hw isnt finished, and i dont think its worth the travel/cost of tickets to attend to just watch. i find it entertaining if your in a competition just not soley to watch
i dont come to many events as im only interested mostly in full combat. hence i will always be at a robochallenge event when possible, i love to watch hw's, just only variety.
out of interest out of 40 active heavyweights i see you get about 1/2 attending to any of your events, except the one where you had 9, are these the same hw's most of the time? is their anything that can be done to get the other hw's out? or what can be done for people to build more hw's?
i will join the others i think, and just sit and read (think how many havent commented!) and why is that do you think?
Enough now
this is why people arent replying because people's responses are being considered with malice
some people on here lack mutual respect that we all deserve, we all put time and money into these machines Feathers middles heavies antweights, there all the same, sometimes fights are boring sometimes fights are amazing its just the way of the world
debating what is going to make it more exciting is a little pointless, 5 years ago any of todays robots would of been exciting, I think its not about what weight you wanna run or build its about what u build, if u build a rambot with 2 5mph wheelchairmotors then its going to be dull, build a rambot with 8 wheels and 8 motors and its going to be as dull its down to the fight,
when is someone going to build a proper walker that will get peoples attention