Split in the community

well i will rant here.

how could you do it. how will you sleep tonight. you complain to the fra comittee members and get the post removed. but you only got the negative post removed and left the posative ones on there. you are soooooooooo decieving its unreal. the fra moderators should remove the whole thing not just the negative ones you have been told to remove by the youngs. complain as much as you like young family it wont change the fact you are bad people. there is a word for you people but i wont post it cos you would prob try to sue me.

what is wrong with you shane?

WHATS WRONG...........you know whats wrong. i feel for you dave. i hope you dont get tarred with the same brush. you guys are ok.

I have no idea whats going on here.

Can someone explain properly? :sad:

Kody: Something happened between Robotslive and Roaming Robots. The thread that had some discussion about it has been closed and some postings are removed until a decision is made after investigation by the FRA.

Right now I think its very sad this happened. But I dont have the full story so I cant make a valid comment on it. I hope this gets settled soon.

***This is my personally view/statement not linked to anyone or company or anyone else€™s view***

This is just perfect example of why I have such a problem with the Young€™s. I say the Young€™s and not Robots Live as some of the crew at Robots Live are actually sound.

Robots Live KNEW Roaming Robots were involved with Space Centre this year... as they have been for the past few years. Somehow Robots Live were in communication with Space Centre.

If they contacted them or Space centre contacted them first we don€™t know. I believe RL contacted Space Centre first because of past and new information I know. However I cant prove it but its my personal opinion and I€™m allowed one before you get your court papers ready to attack and try and sue me once again! (Yes they did threaten me before - some community ay!)

EVEN IF Space Centre contacted RL for a cheaper quote, and RL gave one - this is wrong in terms of a community sense. Don€™t even try and start to lecture me about how businesses work - I€™m doing a Business/Project Management Degree linked to computing and I know how hardcore business€™s operate. But with all this rubbish that the community is split and event organisers wont work together - well I wonder why!!!!!! This is the perfect example why!

I know full well that if the situation was reversed and RL was involved with space centre for years and Roaming Robots were in contact with them, John F would NOT pursue to try and take over the event and kick RL out. It€™s not John€™s nature and he has higher more respectable morals than other people it seems in this community.

And people wonder why I have such a big beef with Robots Live and Team Mad. This is the perfect reason why you€™re all such a joke. Team Mad and Robots Live wouldn€™t be where they are now if it wasn€™t for John F / Roaming Robots, and to get into the position they are now and try and screw over and kill John€™s lively hood when he has devoted so much time, effort and money to this community is just sickening !!!

Working for the community - get real!

Mr Stu

What is Jonnos view on all this?

jonno doesnt feel as strongly about it as mr stu or me for that matter. if jonno started posting on here he would bring himself to a lower level. i am already at a lower level so i dont care and will post what i want when i want. robots live have made their bed now they can lay in it. the bottom line is they shouldnt have done such a thing. dislike jonno as much as you all like but he has morals and he is a GOOD man and i know for a FACT that he has had more than 1 oppertunity to do this to robots live and hasnt purly out of his good nature. mabee he should adopt robots live attitude and just STEAL events from under their nose. i will make a public note that i will never attend a robots live event again.

I am sure Jonno and Alan will discuss this issue and perhaps release a statement explaining what has happened, and how this divisive situation could be avoided in the future, till then I think it wise to wait and keep our peace.

Hear hear!

Thread closed temporarily due to compliant received - awaiting FRA final decision

Oops did someone hit a nerve??

By the way I think compliant is spelt complaint. Sorry

Guys,

Im not going to comment on the matter. I have no interest in getting involved in a public debate, Although stu and shane feel strongly enough to make it public, I do thank them.

I have my own feelings, on this matter, and other previous matters where similar situations have arisen, and I cant deny that I am unhappy, as as far as I was concerned I had a verbal contract, and it was public that I was supposed to be doing the event.

At the end of the day, the venue has now done this twice, they came crawling back after last time, and once again they have opted one way or another for a Cheaper Quote. It certainly will be very unlikely RR will be going back to space centre.

Unfortunately robot world as we know it is a commercial one, and has been for a while.

John
http://www.RoamingRobots.co.ukwww.RoamingRobots.co.uk

I dont know what all the fuss is about. Robots Live are the nicest bunch of roboteers Ive ever had the pleasure in dealing with and Im damn well sure that they would not have done this just to annoy.

Lets face it, its happened, its in the past, theres nothing that can be done about it so deal with it.

(Message edited by kronic on March 05, 2008)

(Message edited by kronic on March 05, 2008)

Look Guys,

At the end of the day, two companies went in for the same event (just as they did for the UK champs), the Space Centre chose which option to go for, if John was under the impression that he had a deal in place, then that€™s between him and the venue. Before we quoted we checked with the Space Centre that no deal already existed. If John has any problems with the circumstances, then he is welcome to contact us.

We have just had an email from the space centre, and I quote;

€œAs you might be aware there seems to have been a bit of mis-understanding between my colleague Malika and Roaming Robots, it was not our intention to mess anyone around or play you guys off against one another. I hope no bad feelings are created because of this.€

Seeing as it seems to be only a few members that are upset by the result, these opinions and views shouldn€™t be put on a public forum, which is why I€™m not going to comment on any of the above statements. If anybody has any questions or concerns, please feel free to get in touch.

As John said, there is a large commercial part now involved within our hobby, this side should never really involve the teams, but has given the community a choice. We decided at the end of 2006 that there was a need for another heavyweight arena; with support from many roboteers we decided to go ahead with it ourselves (I know if we hadn€™t of built one there were at least one other company planning to run one). The competition between EO€™s has benefited the sport in many ways, with bigger and better shows being ran, it has also seen many upgrades and changes to the both arenas, most of which probably wouldn€™t have happened without the added competition.


Alan

http://www.robotslive.co.ukwww.robotslive.co.uk

you go girl...

I quote again -
I know full well that if the situation was reversed and RL was involved with space centre for years and Roaming Robots were in contact with them, John F would NOT pursue to try and take over the event and kick RL out. It€™s not John€™s nature and he has higher more respectable morals than other people it seems in this community.

Shows whos too nice for the community and whos out to spike others for money.

Mr Stu

a few members upset. just cos its me and mr stu that show our views on here i tell you this.....there are more people unhappy with your move than you think. dave i understand you are in love with the youngs and i am in love with the findlays. i dont want to fall out with you personally. its just low down money grabbing decieving people with zero morals i dont like.

i spent a lot of time and effort talking with jonno to pursuade him to attend robots live events and how much it could bring the community together. he of course decided to go and he actually enjoyed it and was planning to attend more. wether he does or not now i dont know. its things like this that upset me the most. behind the scenes there is so much more that goes on that is posted here good and bad. robots live do this and how do you expect me to feel after trying so hard to mend wounds. its just a pointless excersize i now know. i really dont know who i am posting this to but just wanted to get across why things insence me. and i know i cant spell. those that know me best know i mean no harm but also know i have strong feelings and morals.

i will also admit i am a very very close friend of jonno and his family and have been for years. i have hidded this fact and have listened to peoples comments on him and his business too much. deny that dave young. jonno knows what you say about him and his events cos i have told him. he gets upset and sometimes wants to quit but then why should he. he has things planned for the future and all is looking rosie. sorry jonno for posting this but its my feelings not yours.

I would mildly suggest that based on the comments in this thread so far, the main cause of any conflict would appear to be The Space Centre staff being unprofessional, or least vague, about the status of the arrangement (or lack of it) with RR. On the face of it it seems more likely that this is the case than deliberate sabotage. With respect Shane, although youre obviously entitled to your opinion, whether RL or the Young family merit your outrage depends on what their understanding of the situation and their intent actually was. You dont really know that. Nor do I of course... If The Space Centre led them to believe that there was no contract in place with RL- as the copied email above suggests- then from an ethical point of view RL tendering a quote seems reasonable enough. That said, given previous upsets it might have been an idea for RL to check RRs understanding of the situation to avoid any possibility of this kind of conflict. Business is business of course, but I think it is unwise and insensitive- not to mention devisive- for an EOs not to check with each other if theres a possibility of conflicts with venues or dates. Itd certainly make for a happier community. All just my opinion of course...

John.

The 17/18th May 2008 Roaming Robots Space Centre, Leicester threads in the Live Events and Live Events Discussions area have been removed at the request of the event organiser.

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The 17/18th May 2008 Roaming Robots Space Centre, Leicester threads in the Live Events and Live Events Discussions area have been removed at the request of the event organiser. Which one?

I think John W. and John F. are both saying the same thing, and I would agree with that. The main blame is bad communication with the venue.

(Message edited by leo-rcc on March 05, 2008)

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17/18th May 2008 Roaming Robots Space Centre, Leicester

Taking a look at the posts above, I sort of get the picture here, and I am inclined to agree with John W. as well. If The Space Centre did not handle their dealings with Roaming Robots in a professional manner, then it seems unfair to put all the blame on Robots Live and let The Space Centre get away with it.

not that i know whats going on but all that springs to mind is competition is healthy in business it helps keep you on your toes, i would blame the space centre personally from what i have read. but i dont know the full story. i would love to see e.os work together on an event it would be one hell of a show with all your gear you guys have.

Tom, since RL took over the event of that location the EO could also have been RL.

yeah sure it is. of course its bad communication. thats why if the venue did contact rl or rl contacted the venue with or without a signed agreement in place its still wrong diddly wrong from wrongton street, wrongsville. planet wrong. the thing point you miss is that robots live should have got in touch with roaming robots and discussed the situation. but they didnt.

kody you advertise an fan fic event called death to all event. i then do the same event called death to all and then the fra say to you that you cant run your event cos i am doing it. you would have thought i would have contacted you about it and disussed it. but i thought NOOOOO. i dont like you kody so sod you i will just go ahead with it.

jonno has the event. the venue then contact robots live. robots live know jonno is doing the event but the venue says to robots live can you do it cheaper. then robots live say yes we can but dont phone jonno and tell him whats going on as its his event. sod him we dont like him. lets face it if they did have anything about them and thought about what damage it will do they would have at least done something like phone or mail jonno. there are no excuses about blaming the venue and bad communication. so i conclude that the youngs intention was to do the event without letting anyone know till they had it in the bag. if you ask me the only decent thing to do is let the venue suffer and no-one do the event. if its the case that the venue did do deliberate sabotage and the robots live know what they have done is wrong then pull from the event and discuss it with roaming robots and come to a mutual agreement. but this is a cruel world and it aint gonna happen is it. MONEY really is the root to all evil.

In all fairness i doubt very much that the venue give a tod about the roboteering community shane, they just wanted to save a few quid..

aint that true. had my rant now and wont go on for ever. i think my views are clear enough now.

The childishness of this argument is simply astounding

The nub of the problem here is the Space Centre.

This is the second time this has happened with this venue.

They will possibly do it to Robots Live next year.

We would advise the FRA to not allow an event at this venue to be posted on the live event thread until a written contract has been guaranteed for 2009.

It is unlikely that the Space Centre will ever get a competitive bid again and RL should sting them accordingly.

Geoff Smith
Andy Kane

I wouldnt say that Ewan. I think Shane may well be making some unwarranted assumptions about RL, but people get upset and angry about this kind of stuff because they feel its unjust or their mates are involved or whatever. All of us are enthusiasts who have a major personal stake in the sport (or pastime or whatever) continuing. Sometimes things get a bit heated but thats not a question of childishness its about being human and giving a damn. Ive no idea if it fits in with the way they want to do business or the kind of relationship they want to have with each other generally, but it would be a good idea for the community if the EOs sorted out some kind of informal agreement to discuss stuff like this before it blows up. Ultimately though the EOs are businesses and theyll make their own decisions as they see fit...

Well said Andy.

Indeed, you have summarized it perfectly Andy.

Well put andy.

The Space center, I think its just not worth all this commotion. Let it burn :P. Itll be their loss for mucking everything up, they dont deserve RR or RL doing their events there

i dont think that will happen david but i agree lol

Having run my own business (3 completely different types) for nearly 30 years I have been asked to quote for work hundreds, if not thousands of times.
Its simple: some you win some you dont!
In my current business I know most of my competitors personally and accept that, a lot of the time, one of them will beat me to a job.
It would appear that, in this case, the venue did not make it clear they were asking for quotes not just handing out the job.
Team Wind power, for one, will be attending all events that are practical / possible regardless of who the EO is.
I am dismayed that the split might widen just as it appeared to be healing.

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Team Wind power, for one, will be attending all events that are practical / possible regardless of who the EO is.
I am dismayed that the split might widen just as it appeared to be healing.

Exactly my veiw. It was healing nicely, lets not let this open the wound a-fresh. Please.