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    Come Here And Say That was my first featherweight that actually got into an arena - it was built in an afternoon as a bit of a joke for the Inter Hackspace Robot Wars but went on to win it. Its since been to a few live events and survived getting thrown around by the floor flipper but never really did much to worry anyone competitively. It had two ride on scooter motors and gearboxes, a Sabertooth 2x25 ESC (which didn't die!), old school 3Ah Technobots nicads and salvaged 10mm polycarbonate. Eventually one of the motors died so now I'm building a slightly more serious replacement. Come Here and Say That Again will probably only be a little more competitive, as I'm trying to spend as little as possible again by repurposing some spares from Deadlock. As they're from a heavyweight they're a bit out of place in a feather, but it should be fun if it works.

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    The new design is similar: a big wheeled wedge with a polycarb chassis but this time with a shock mounted hardox wedge, lifter hidden underneath, massive motors and go kart wheels. Hopefully this will also be a quick build since its relatively simple and I have almost everything on hand.

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    These are the motors and batteries from Deadlock and the wheels from my ride on power tool drag racer - I'll be using two of each. Just the motors, batteries and wheels come to ~8kg, so weight is going to be tight.

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    Some of the bits bought just for CHASTA

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    I've just started the machining, these sprockets may ultimately end up in Deadlock, but for now they're being stolen as they also happen to give the right gear ratio for an overpowered feather.

    This weekend I'm hoping to make the majority of the plastic parts.

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    I had a reasonably productive today today, making 8 of the chassis parts whilst snapping two cutting bits. More time was spent being frustrated with my poor Fusion360 CAM skills than actually making parts, so hopefully tomorrow will go better as I figure out the process.
    One bit of weirdness I couldn't figure out that caused one of the snapped bits was the feed rate randomly increasing mid cut. They were regular 2d contour toolpaths and occasionally the feedrate would increase ~10x just for a few millimeters, then drop back to normal. The code looks fine in the mach3 toolpath viewer, but the I don't know really what I'm looking for.

    I also need to get better at photographing transparent parts:
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    So a heavyweight inside a featherweight? this is going to be awesome. If you're interested, Rory from team Nuts recently did something similar with scooter motors, he posted a video of it. I hope it enters next Insomnia!

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    Thanks!
    Rory's is even dafter than mine, I think we're both going to Insomnia so it'll be interesting to see how they compare in the arena.

    I got most of the plastic parts finished today, with no more snapped bits. I had been worried about the hubs fitting the wheels as they're such a 3d shape, they took a little dremel tweaking but now they fit fine:
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    So, it looks like I've made a daft mistake. I was checking the weight of each machined part and comparing it to the CAD model. All the machined parts are within 1% of what I expected, but the motors were way off - 450g in CAD when they're 1.8kg in reality! I don't know how it happened as they're correct weight in the Deadlock model. Regardless, I'm going to need some drastic weight saving measures to get this back on track. Current favourite is to ditch the kart wheels as they're the next heaviest part after the motors but I really want to keep the aesthetic of big fat wheels.
    :-(

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    Does it bring you over the limit though? If it does, that would be an issue and in that instance, I'd probably agree with the wheel change or perhaps some weight saving holes in the armour (though wherever the latter will help substantially I don't know).
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    The CAD was projecting a weight of ~13.3kg without wiring, so yeah, its a problem. If I change nothing the CAD now predicts I'll be 2.5kg overweight. the whole polycarbonate chassis only weighs 2.6kg...

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    Ohh err, not good. I guess the wheels are pneumatic, not solid?
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    Have you thought about putting some small weight reduction holes in the chassis? Just don't overdo it to the point where it compromises the structural integrity. Should bring it down some, but other than that, I'm not sure what else to say. Thinner tires? Foam instead of thick rubber? Helium instead of air? Okay maybe not the last one, not sure if that's against the rules or not, haha.

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    If the chassis weighs 2.6kg and he needs to lose 2.5kg, drilling holes would leave him with virtually no chassis left

    What about making wheels from thin HDPE with tyre wrapped round them, akin to what Tough As Nails has? I imagine the kart tyres would weigh a fair bit, so doing that would save weight while keeping the aesthetic similar.
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